AJ hand - how not to go broke with TPTK

tigerite · #1 08-24-2005, 06:47 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

CO (t1100)
Hero (t990)
SB (t1255)
BB (t635)
UTG (t620)
UTG+1 (t685)
UTG+2 (t755)
MP1 (t700)
MP2 (t690)
MP3 (t570)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 2 folds, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, 1 fold, Hero calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets t50, MP3 calls t50, Hero raises to t170, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t170, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t530) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t530) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t70, Hero calls t70.

Final Pot: t670

#2 08-24-2005, 06:51 AM

Could you explain turn?

tigerite · #3 08-24-2005, 06:53 AM

He checked the flop OOP, then called my re-raise to two betters in late position, without re-raising himself (i.e. he didn't care if they called). There's no real draws on the board barring some weird straight draw, which is unlikely. What do I beat at this point, that isn't drawing to 2 or 3 outs on the river?

#4 08-24-2005, 07:08 AM

This must not be 10+1 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

tigerite · #5 08-24-2005, 07:12 AM

It's a 30+3

But still the same applies, even if he had the straight draw it's now hit. If he hits his 2 or 3 outer on the river so be it, most times he won't. If I bet now and get raised I could be bluffed off the hand or fold to KJ etc which would be disastrous. I am positive my line is the best as this is a WA/WB situation

bennies · #6 08-24-2005, 07:37 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

CO (t1100)
Hero (t990)
SB (t1255)
BB (t635)
UTG (t620)
UTG+1 (t685)
UTG+2 (t755)
MP1 (t700)
MP2 (t690)
MP3 (t570)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 2 folds, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, 1 fold, Hero calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets t50, MP3 calls t50, Hero raises to t170, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t170, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t530) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t530) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t70, Hero calls t70.

Final Pot: t670

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I like it. I put him on JT or QJ most of the time (if this is a 22/33 - at lower buyins I don't know). You give him a few outs by checking the turn, but this compensates for the times where the 7 made his straight.

I would raise the river if a blank had fallen, but the only cards I'm sure are blanks are deuces and threes...

tigerite · #7 08-24-2005, 07:39 AM

I'd never raise the river because you are only (usually) called by a hand that beats you - and it usually re-raises, too. You may lose a few chips the odd time he has Jx but it is compensated for the times you save chips when he has you smashed.

Also, I don't think he is on the straight draw on the flop - I put it at less than 10% chance. This was my thought process at the time anyway.

#8 08-24-2005, 07:39 AM

I guess you're right. I guess the scariest hand you have beat is JT, and that's not that likely and not that scary.

bennies · #9 08-24-2005, 07:44 AM

I take it you put him on 88 and 66 more often than Jx. That's the safe way to play it and probably +$EV. I don't know about +CEV though, I put him on JT, JQ, JK pretty often.

Amything · #10 08-24-2005, 09:07 AM

How much would villain have to bet on the river to get you to fold?