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Old 08-08-2005, 10:44 PM
gumpzilla gumpzilla is offline
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Default Re: Help . . . I lost all my $$ with AK again.

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I would push this on the flop.

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Hmmm, I don't like this. Are you that scared of the flush draw (or that confident that AT isn't going anywhere) that you want to make a 3x overbet? There's certainly a reasonable amount in the pot now, so it's not awful if we take it down now, but I think we can probably extract more value on average by making plays other than pushing.
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Old 08-08-2005, 10:57 PM
Michael C. Michael C. is offline
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Default Re: Help . . . I lost all my $$ with AK again.

Why? Doesn't villian figure to have a weaker ace as often as a flush draw? And if he did have a flush draw, why would you force him out?
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Old 08-08-2005, 11:11 PM
wuwei wuwei is offline
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Default Re: Help . . . I lost all my $$ with AK again.

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I would push this on the flop.

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Hmmm, I don't like this. Are you that scared of the flush draw (or that confident that AT isn't going anywhere) that you want to make a 3x overbet? There's certainly a reasonable amount in the pot now, so it's not awful if we take it down now, but I think we can probably extract more value on average by making plays other than pushing.

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I don't push this everytime, but I've been working this play into my game some lately for variety. It works here for a few reasons in no particular order:

1. We very likely have the best hand.
2. The board is highly coordinated - both the flush and broadway draws are out there. In addition, some likely hands we could be up against include AJ and AT - let's make them pay extra to draw to the straight.
3. Deceptiveness.
4. Poor players at this level don't like to fold weak aces anyways.
5. The pot is decent, nothing wrong with taking it down now.
6. The turn gets sticky with the pot:my stack ratio when I'm called.
7. Playing the turn OOP like the OP can suck.

Grisgra, I think you played it fine. I'm actually more likely to push the turn without the K of [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. When I have it, I'm ok with someone drawing cheaper to a lone heart.
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Old 08-08-2005, 11:53 PM
gumpzilla gumpzilla is offline
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Default Re: Help . . . I lost all my $$ with AK again.

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I don't push this everytime, but I've been working this play into my game some lately for variety.

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This is a good point; I guess I'm thinking more about what my standard play here is.

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4. Poor players at this level don't like to fold weak aces anyways.
5. The pot is decent, nothing wrong with taking it down now.
6. The turn gets sticky with the pot:my stack ratio when I'm called.
7. Playing the turn OOP like the OP can suck.

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These are all decent reasons. Pushing is obviously going to be pretty profitable, I just usually try to milk a little more. Nice post.
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