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Old 12-27-2005, 11:22 PM
SackUp SackUp is offline
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Default KQo with maniac on board

AB - 17.6//4.4/1.07
MP3 is a MANIAC 84/18.42/5 Saw him check 3 bet a flop with 47o with 3 overs on teh board and other retarded stuff like that.

I really hate my river call as the sb seems obvious, but how is the rest of the hand?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (16.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: KQo with maniac on board

3-bet the turn. I don't get your river fold at all.

Rob
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:44 AM
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Default Re: KQo with maniac on board

I think the river fold is fine, as there is no way the SB doesn't have a flush.

SGS
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:33 AM
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Default Re: KQo with maniac on board

I'd lean towards 3-betting the turn/calling down a cap with your description/stats of MP3, he can play a strong K/hearts this way and you are obviously ahead of SB. I don't know if I can fold this river getting 21.5-1. with SB's stats he has the flush nearly always but I don't know if he has KT/KQ + you beat MP3 more than 4.4% of the time. I'd make a crying call but I'm not sure if that is correct.
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Old 12-28-2005, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: KQo with maniac on board

I think you should fold the river to the donkbet by SB. What can he possibly have taht we beat? IMO there's no way we're good even 1 in 40 here.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:42 PM
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I think the river fold is fine, as there is no way the SB doesn't have a flush.

SGS

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I would have folded the first time if I was convinced. But maniac's raise didn't change anything.
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:05 PM
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3-bet the turn. I don't get your river fold at all.

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You took the words right out of my mouth. How do you fold this river? SB can have so much more than a flush here. You're getting roughly infinity to 1 on this call... please make it.
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:06 PM
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I think the river fold is fine, as there is no way the SB doesn't have a flush.

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This is absurd.
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:35 PM
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You took the words right out of my mouth. How do you fold this river? SB can have so much more than a flush here. You're getting roughly infinity to 1 on this call... please make it.

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Old 12-28-2005, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: KQo with maniac on board

You must 3-bet this turn. The maniac has 2 cards and the SB is just tagging along with a K or some draw. Not 3-betting the turn is truly horrible because this is exactly the kind of situation where you must make the maniac pay for those times he happens to draw out on your AA with 32o.

The river fold is really bad too, particularly because the maniac's raise is meaningless and the SB didn't 3-bet. In fact, I don't understand all the people advocating folding for the first bet either. Did any of you look at the size of the pot? Your hand needs to be good only 1 in 18.5 times. Folding here would be a potentially catastrophic error.
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