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Old 12-04-2005, 06:01 PM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default Re: (LC) $109 bubble - why do people call in this situation?

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But he's a multitabler, probably a 2p2'er, and he should know about ICM. So why the hell call here? It makes no sense, at all.

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So the next time you play him and a similar situation is there, will you still push any two?

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Yes, because it's not -$EV for me until he calls a ridiculously loose range.

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And what about a situation where he is neutral EV by calling with say A5o? You still pull the trigger knowing he is a loose caller? I am not saying I would have called here, but I think if you are a regular there is some value to have it known you don't have a very tight calling range because people will exploit the hell out of it.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:18 PM
tigerite tigerite is offline
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Default Re: (LC) $109 bubble - why do people call in this situation?

He wouldn't call A5o here - he wasn't THAT bad..
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: (LC) $109 bubble - why do people call in this situation?

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Assuming you'll push with any 2, AJo looks to be about a break even call. I get his CEV goes down just the slightest amount by calling. This is using the ICM model.

Does it break down in a situation where the blinds are so high compared to the small stack?

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What has CEV got to do with it? Try $EV.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:34 PM
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t4720)
UTG (t180)
Button (t1690)
SB (t6910)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t4720</font>, Button calls t1290 (All-In).

Flop: (t6510) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t6510) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t6510) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t6510

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 5c Js (one pair, twos).
Button has Th Jh (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Button wins t3480. Hero wins t3030. </font>

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Called off his entire stack with J/10 suited and shortstack on life support. Unbelievable.
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