Two interesting PF decisions in the same hand with AK

[adanthar]

First off, I don't think making it 3K with AK is bad and I don't think calling is bad either. Here, I called specifically because UTG is not that good and might well hang himself on a worse ace, and because I don't mind calling a push behind me with that many dead chips (if you had AQ somewhere back there, wouldn't you be tempted?)

So CO pushes. He's good, which to me means something other than straight 'TAG', and I think his range is pretty large. I'm already hitting the call button in my head when the button calls.

Now I have a decision to make. Based on some hand ranges and a slight read, I believe one of my outs is in either UTG or UTG+1's hand somewhere. However, this obviously also makes AA/KK even less likely from the button, because not two but three aces/kings are accounted for. It is also good to remember the very similar hand posted here a week ago when button had 44.

So I pushed. Button actually thought a little bit before calling with QQ, and CO had JTs. (UTG said he folded AQ.) That was about what I expected to see...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1379497
pokenum -h as kd - qd qh - jc tc / ad qs
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Kd 384424 35.40 698479 64.32 3105 0.29 0.355
Qd Qh 466312 42.94 616591 56.78 3105 0.29 0.430
Jc Tc 232167 21.38 850736 78.34 3105 0.29 0.215

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1379508
pokenum -h as kd - qd qh / ad qs jc tc
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Kd 469910 43.27 610434 56.21 5664 0.52 0.435
Qd Qh 610434 56.21 469910 43.27 5664 0.52 0.565

With the dead chips in the pot and the benefits of winning this hand (a top 10 stack in the tournament) I think the push is pretty easy.

Comments?

[johnnybeef]

Ton of info here. If utg is trying to play well, I would estimate that he has something like 66-99, KQ,AT+. UTG+1 is really insignificant as he is obviously dead money. Your call makes it look like you have a mid pair, and I suspect that CO is shoving a wide range of hands for two reasons. First he could be assuming that the pot is full of dead money, and has a huge overlay with a marginal hand like a mid pair, KQ, or even a suited connector. But, he could know that you know this and may induce a call from you if you are thinking along these lines with a hand like 88-TT. I suspect that the button is TT+ AK. I think with all of the overlay, you have to shove there, but I don't like your original call.

Edit: I just read the rest of the thread, and understand your call with the AK, but still dont like it. A second overcall starts to build a big pot, and you are in danger of having something like what did, or, getting in against a hand that can bust you oop. That said, I love it if you are CO or button.

I can't think of anything insightful to add re: AK from adanthar except I strongly consider mucking it.

Instead, I'm thinking about QQ's play. Anyone push with QQ there? Does anybody fold? I know I at least think about folding.

I might fold the AK here..I like either making a big re-raise or getting rid of the hand..Problem with AK is you need to see all 5 cards for full value, hence the re-raise or fold.

On balance I'd probably muck my AK with so many players left to act and a UTG raiser and a call in front of me.

[Sam T.]

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I can't think of anything insightful to add re: AK from adanthar except I strongly consider mucking it.

Instead, I'm thinking about QQ's play. Anyone push with QQ there? Does anybody fold? I know I at least think about folding.

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I'd fold QQ here about once every billion years. Earlier I put the CO on a squeeze play, so folding QQ is bad. Smooth calling is, IMO, not so good either. Get it heads up with a nice fat raise.

[locutus2002]

JJ/QQ, and JT was the best outcome for you; you still have 7 outs to be ahead. The alternative was not as good.

Buttons range:
AA - 1 way
KK -3 ways
QQ -3 ways
JJ -3 ways
AK - 6 ways

37% your even against AK
37% of the time you get the best outcome. 7 outs.
25% of the your way behind. 2 outs or less.

If you throw AK, and JJ out of button's range its much worse. He could plausibly fold these hands against the CO push. One other player with an A is likely.

I still don't like it, and you will need alot of luck to win, like making the nut flush.

[Exitonly]

rememebr button canbe doing something stupid, and have a hand outside of that range.. .. guess like 10% he does something real bad (like pocket 4's).

[locutus2002]

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