JJ vs. all-in checkraise

BlackAces · #1 02-20-2005, 10:13 AM

Early stages of a 20+2 SNG. The first limper is rather loose, as is the BB. No read on the other limpers.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t1990)
UTG+1 (t1940)
MP1 (t1487)
MP2 (t1347)
MP3 (t1625)
Hero (t1650)
Button (t688)
SB (t1278)
BB (t1495)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, 1 fold, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP3 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 2 folds, BB calls t120, UTG calls t120, MP1 folds, MP3 raises to t1625

Is this a clear fold, or should I be reading something more into this?

EDIT: Mistyped the title...should be all-in limp-reraise.

J-Lo · #2 02-20-2005, 11:09 AM

Hrm, well, do u like takin coinflips early? I don't see AA, KK, QQ... i definetley smell 77-JJ... I think the MP3 is thinkin this, "I have a pocket pair, plenty of dead money, let's take a coinflip vs AK/AQ." However i could also see JJ and then u split, i definetely don't see you being dominated. Now it's all about the coinflip, and i don't think you are a coinflip. Meaning u are a 4:1 favorite, so i'd call with a pretty good hand early in a SNG.

Voltron87 · #3 02-20-2005, 12:52 PM

Easy fold.

spentrent · #4 02-20-2005, 12:57 PM

Fold. You're most likely facing a coin-flip. Smaller pairs with maniacal owners *might* make this play but consider that there are more combinations of two big cards than there are of smaller pairs.

elsullio · #5 02-20-2005, 05:59 PM

At the lower levels, in this situation I see hands 7s-10s far more than I see AK or AQ, and I barely ever see AA or KK. People with mid pocket pair see a large preflop raise, get excited because they think you have two high cards, and push all in when it gets around to them. I see this play all the time at 10+1 and 20+2, especially in levels 1 and 2. Most of the time, I would call without even hesitating.

Edit: I just noticed you're playing at PokerStars. With the deeper chip stacks, folding might be a better option, but I would take my chances at Party.

Phil Van Sexton · #6 02-20-2005, 06:16 PM

I see limp-reraise allin and I'm thinking AA. Easy fold.

SlapJack · #7 02-20-2005, 06:36 PM

I agree. Have seen this a few times.

Jason Strasser · #8 02-20-2005, 07:46 PM

This guy limped behind an utg limper then went all in after your raise and a call. I dont think this is an easy fold. I think you get shown a lot more than just AA here.

-jason

elsullio · #9 02-20-2005, 09:37 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

Hero (t695)
UTG (t930)
UTG+1 (t1040)
MP1 (t1905)
MP2 (t625)
MP3 (t700)
CO (t910)
Button (t435)
SB (t760)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls t30, 1 fold, Button calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t100, MP3 raises to t700 (All-In), Button folds, Hero calls t595 (All-In).

Flop: (t1440) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t1440) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t1440) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t1440

Results in white below: 
Hero has Tc Td (full house, fives full of tens).
MP3 has 3d 3c (four of a kind, threes).
Outcome: MP3 wins t1440.

Seadood228 · #10 02-20-2005, 10:48 PM

There are a few reasons why I could see calling here.

He limped in behind a limper -- you'll see AA or KK less often here.

It's early in the tourney. If you are against overcards, a coinflip here wouldn't be *that* bad of a situation, since you haven't invested that much time. Normally you don't want to be taking flips this early, but given the likelihood that you'll be shown a hand like TT on down, this might be a good spot to take a stand.

The stack sizes are fairly equal. You don't really have a stack to protect, or any shorties to wait out.

This is one of the rare situations where I might take a chance with JJ against an all-in reraise.