kurosh vs brazilio round 2 - Page 2

sthief09 · #11 10-28-2005, 10:39 AM

starting over... I thnk he should fold to the checkraise on the flop

I don't like thsi dual perspective hand posting. it's confusing me. your flop checkraise is fine since I don't know what you have. his flop bet is fine. he should fold to the checkraise or not bet the flop at all if he wants to see a showdown. I think your turn checkraise is maybe ok if you have a draw

flawless_victory · #12 10-28-2005, 10:39 AM

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id just call down, but whatever hand you had, you played it really bad... his play is even worse.

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Supposing Braz flopped 2pr with 98/K9 & put Kurosh squarely on an A, you think his play is still awful? I suppose you'd rather lead the turn & hope to 3bet? Seems reasonable to me, I'm just curious & trying to get better~

jvs

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even if he doesnt have an A, he will most likely raise here.

brazilio · #13 10-28-2005, 10:42 AM

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starting over... I thnk he should fold to the checkraise. I like your checkraise only if you have a draw. I think he should fold now

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I had JTo and felt like shitting on myself to see if he'd fold the naked A on the turn, and I was reasonably confident I'd either be getting a free river OOP against a pocket pair, 8 or 9.

sthief09 · #14 10-28-2005, 10:44 AM

I'm thinking 2 things... he shouldn't be calling the flop with a naked A, so if that A hit him, it'll often make him aces up and you get 3 bet. but he might have called the flop wanting to raise the turn and your weak check might encourage KQ to bet and then fold to a raise. I don't know if he should fold to the turn c/r but it's close

flawless_victory · #15 10-28-2005, 10:49 AM

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I'm thinking 2 things... he shouldn't be calling the flop with a naked A, so if that A hit him, it'll often make him aces up and you get 3 bet. but he might have called the flop wanting to raise the turn and your weak check might encourage KQ to bet and then fold to a raise. I don't know if he should fold to the turn c/r but it's close

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OMG it is not close... folding KQ here would be laughably awful.

TStoneMBD · #16 10-28-2005, 10:56 AM

according to game theory its awful, but according to how unknowns play its not. clearly if everyone used the perfectly bluffing frequencies you need to call down with a pair of aces, but against an unknown who has shown so much strength thats not necessarily true.

btw kurosh should have folded the flop of course. i also think he should fold the turn.

sthief09 · #17 10-28-2005, 10:58 AM

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I'm thinking 2 things... he shouldn't be calling the flop with a naked A, so if that A hit him, it'll often make him aces up and you get 3 bet. but he might have called the flop wanting to raise the turn and your weak check might encourage KQ to bet and then fold to a raise. I don't know if he should fold to the turn c/r but it's close

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OMG it is not close... folding KQ here would be laughably awful.

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the chances that he has a draw and that he has the balls to checkraise it twice (by contrast I would checkraise it 0 times) are not good enough to pay off 2 more bets with KQ

jba · #18 10-28-2005, 11:08 AM

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the chances that he has a draw and that he has the balls to checkraise it twice (by contrast I would checkraise it 0 times) are not good enough to pay off 2 more bets with KQ

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you are check/calling the flop with JT here, as brazilio?

sthief09 · #19 10-28-2005, 11:14 AM

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the chances that he has a draw and that he has the balls to checkraise it twice (by contrast I would checkraise it 0 times) are not good enough to pay off 2 more bets with KQ

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you are check/calling the flop with JT here, as brazilio?

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I might checkraise the flop, I might check-call and donk, I might check call to the river. the board is so likely to have hit him that your folding equity in this small pot is not big enough to justify the -EV bets you'll be putting in the times he has a hand

jba · #20 10-28-2005, 11:22 AM

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I might checkraise the flop, I might check-call and donk, I might check call to the river. the board is so likely to have hit him that your folding equity in this small pot is not big enough to justify the -EV bets you'll be putting in the times he has a hand

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thanks for the response, makes sense