ROI in heads up SNGs?

[energyjoe]

To those of you who have played a lot of HUP SNGs:

What is your ROI in the game you play? How big you think your ROI should be for you to be called expert player?

[crookedhat99]

after 67 5hu's im 48-19 w/ a 71.6 win% and a 36.4% roi. My longest win streak was 9, and my longest lose streak was 3. These stats mean absolutely nothing obv, but I think a good sustainable win% is like 60-65, dont know how that translates to roi.

somebody try and beat my longest win streak

[Nicholasp27]

if you play 100 1.10 hu sngs and win 60, you win 120 and paid 110, so made 10 profit...

10/110=9% roi

65% would be 18% roi

i don't think that 27% (70%) is obtainable...not sure you can get a 70/30 edge on random villians in hu

so hu isn't as profitable as sngs, unless you can get 65+% at high dollar amounts...not sure about how long they usually last compared to sngs...depends on site's blind structure

and can you play 4/8/12/16 hu matches at the same time and still obtain 65+%?

the variance would be less, though

1% chance of losing exactly 5 in a row at 60% win rate

u shouldn't see many 20-buyin drops in hu if you are a 60+% winner like you do in sngs

[crookedhat99]

the ones i'm playing have 5% vig

[Mr_J]

"i don't think that 27% (70%) is obtainable...not sure you can get a 70/30 edge on random villians in hu "

At $5s??? Sure it is. These guys have no idea. If any sngers here can't beat these for a good amount then you probally shouldn't be playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

"so hu isn't as profitable as sngs, unless you can get 65+% at high dollar amounts...not sure about how long they usually last compared to sngs...depends on site's blind structure"

Depends on several things:
1. Multitabling. You can 2, maybe even 3 table HU. But if you can only single table HU but can 8table normal sngs then HU sngs won't get anywhere near the same amount.
2. Skill. A good HU player will make plenty. A decent snger probally won't be GREAT at HU (although he'll still do ok, since most HU players are terrible).

HU sngs, well I've had one over in the first hand, and had one last 20 minutes (b@stard wouldn't die). Low limits, I'd guess an average of around 10-12 minutes. Higher up 15-30??

"not sure you can get a 70/30 edge on random villians in hu"

Back to this. This is EASILY doable. It doesn't matter though since you want to find the balance between edge and time. The more you grind it (lots of smaller pots), the greater the edge will have overall. But this might take a while to complete, where a more aggressive/lower ROI approach might actually achieve a better hourly rate.

"the variance would be less, though"

MUCH MUCH less.

"and can you play 4/8/12/16 hu matches at the same time and still obtain 65+%? "

Well since they're much shorter than normal sngs, it's really about how well you can multitable. 2 at a time will be too many for alot of people, and 3 is probally too much for everyone apart from guys like raptor who 20 table lol.

[ayecappy]

ot:i know vig means rake but what does it stand for?

[Mr_J]

vig?? vigorish.

[Nicholasp27]

do u have large sample size evidence of >70% in 5s?

let's say you can do 5/hour on average...and you 2-table them, so that's 10/hour

if you can get 27% roi, then that's 13.77/hour for 5.10s, which is less than 12% roi at 22s 4-tabling (6/hour)

so to make hu more profitable and enticing for sng players, you need to make more/hour, which means moving up to higher levels...

the good news is, you can move up faster than in sngs, as your br requirements are MUCH less (10buyins should be plenty if you ARE a winning player)

so say you play 101 hu...so you are paying 1010/hour...if you can get a 9% roi by winning 60%, then that's almost 100/hour, so can be worth it, especially with lower variance

but can you get 60/100 in 12 mins/game 2-tabling hu?


btw, what site do u play at to get 12 min games? some sites i see are timed for levels and start off at such low blinds it takes way more than 12mpg...

vig is short for vigourish.

[downtown]

I don't play them, but I know some have said that they can only play one at a time. 2 might be a valid assumption though.
<font color="white">I have played 2 (I know, big sample, right?) $20 HU matches on Stars and I lost both of them with huge hand vs. huge hand. I am lost when the blinds are so low... I also suck at poker that is not a party SNG though, so that could also be a consideration.</font>