River laydown

JimmyV · #1 07-10-2005, 09:42 AM

EMP is 19/6 after 238 hands with him. I'm happy for criticism on flop as well as river.

My read was JJ 80% of the time and KK 18 more.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

River: (9 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 doesn't show.
Outcome: MP1 wins 12 BB. 

Flame away.

Lestat, whaddya say?

JimmyV
Still on a Bit of a Downswing -- 200 BB -- but trying to post through it

SJG · #2 07-10-2005, 10:02 AM

I would have called . I think there are enough times when he will only have 1 pair to make a call worth it.You would have to be 100% right on your read to lay this down
But what do i know i only just started playing 20/40 1 month ago.
SJG

JimmyV · #3 07-10-2005, 10:08 AM

Which pair?

Also, 100% does not exist in poker.

La Brujita · #4 07-10-2005, 10:31 AM

The possibility of AK and KQ make this an autocall for me online.

SJG · #5 07-10-2005, 10:57 AM

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The possibility of AK and KQ make this an autocall for me online.

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These pairs

catlover · #6 07-10-2005, 11:12 AM

No read on a hand that beats you quite fits:

With KJs, a lot of people would have raised preflop, but this player probably would have limped based on his stats.

With KK, why didn't he 3-bet the turn?

With JJ, why didn't he check the turn?

AA is a possibility, I think. But you can beat that.

Online I pay this off and expect to be beat 90% of the time.

But if you are going to fold it, you chose the right kind of opponent to do it against. It looks like he is a rational player, and not too aggressive based on his preflop stats.

Michael Emery · #7 07-10-2005, 11:20 AM

Looks like KJ as I'd be a little confused why he cant 3-bet the turn but can now raise the river. But I've seen hands like AA and AK played in this manner, which is why I'm paying off. What are you doing in the hand to begin with though? Just curious Jimmy. Seems like 45s is a muck preflop here in this case.

Mike Emery

JimmyV · #8 07-10-2005, 11:38 AM

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With JJ, why didn't he check the turn?

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It would be unacceptable for JJ to check the turn here.

AK might be just possible enough for me to make the crying call. But what is opponent putting me on then? He surely doesn't expect me to fold two pair.

JimmyV

Nightwish · #9 07-10-2005, 04:27 PM

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What are you doing in the hand to begin with though? Just curious Jimmy. Seems like 45s is a muck preflop here in this case.

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Don't forget, the new 2+2 model is to call with 52o when getting 5:1, and surely 54s is better than that. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Seriously, if you're going to call with 54s in the BB out of position vs a tight preflop raiser, it is not because you're hoping to get to bet it out on a K5x flop. The flop sucks for you. The only hands you're ahead of are AQ/AJ/ATs, and you're behind to everything else this guy would raise with. If you're going to play like this, you don't need 5:1 preflop. You need 20:1.

lil feller · #10 07-10-2005, 04:32 PM

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With JJ, why didn't he check the turn?

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It would be unacceptable for JJ to check the turn here.

AK might be just possible enough for me to make the crying call. But what is opponent putting me on then? He surely doesn't expect me to fold two pair.

JimmyV

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You're assuming he's trying to put you on anything. Not always a safe assumption.

lf