How much respect do I give this guy? - Page 3

FoxwoodsFiend · #21 03-19-2005, 07:01 PM

Granted the king doesn't make my hand invulnerable or anything. But what should my line have been? Check fold? That seems too weak. Better to block bet the turn to give everybody a chance to define their hands and get more information. If I am beat and I check, I'll probably have to face a bigger bet than what I put out there so unless you're advocating folding the turn it seems like a feeler bet was called for there.

youngin20 · #22 03-19-2005, 10:53 PM

I hate the river check. Bet. I think with the check, he puts you on something other than a king.. (who would check trips with 2nd best kicker?) I think the push is a result of your looking weak by checkign. He puts the button on diamonds, I say you can call here, but then again, I dont give a crap about him being a rock. Even rocks use that to their advantage sometimes. Basically it depends on whether or not you think he is decent enough to react to your check here. Thoughts?

JaBlue · #23 03-19-2005, 11:26 PM

Why are you inducing a bluff if you're not going to call it?

Also once you are called on the flop, you should shut down against tighty. He's not limping in EP with a worse king.

Easy fold.

FoxwoodsFiend · #24 03-20-2005, 12:41 AM

I'm thinking button MIGHT bluff, but the point of the check is hardly to induce a bluff from either player, and at the point where UTG goes all-in I can hardly consider that a bluff.

FoxwoodsFiend · #25 03-20-2005, 12:44 AM

So I pretty much thought the same thing as all of you guys have said and after a long while decided to fold. He flipped over K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] In hindsight, Kx of diamonds is the only King I thought I could beat given that action but just never even entered my mind. I think it's a good fold because he doesn't put money in unless he's very confident, but when he later said he thought he had me that hand I realized you can never account for some players' complete lack of card sense

aggie · #26 03-20-2005, 12:56 AM

That's the thing...unless you REALLY know how a guy plays, i think you have to make this call....Now you'd seen him play very tight for i assume a few hours...I see players play super tight for extremely long periods of time and then they piss their money away on one hand....This happens all the time

Many players play super tight, but then they overplay big hands....I also see this all the time....So unless you know that the guy is tight AND SOLID i think you need to call getting 2-1...If the guy is a goose (and clearly this guy was) you need to call....If you're not sure, which i don't think you were, i think you should call.

All that said, you are going to be beat in this spot a high percentage of the time, but i don't think that it is 66% of the time...

Dr. Strangelove · #27 03-20-2005, 01:09 AM

What kane and fsuplayer said, regardless of the results. And you can change your read now. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

chuddo · #28 03-20-2005, 05:19 AM

see how lovely betting 250 on the river would have been now? about $1,100 or so lovely.

aggie · #29 03-20-2005, 06:03 AM

How this hand should have been played:
pre-flop - fine
flop - lead out pot sized bet
turn - fine
river - lead out (do not check fold!)

pete fabrizio · #30 04-04-2005, 09:34 AM

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5/10 live game at the casino morongo.
UTG is a supertight old player who has only pushed in twice, once with a set on the turn and the other time with a nut flush. I've seen him play K10 suited for a decent pot, but only with position and he doesn't even raise with QQ in MP preflop. Button is just a complete idiot-he's called my reraise for $200 preflop with A5 suited and puts in a small raise on the button every hand.
UTG has $1000, Button has $4000, I have $3300.
I'm dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the big blind. UTG limps. Folded to the button who makes it 25. I call, UTG calls.
Flop comes down K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I check, UTG bets 35, Button calls. I raise to $135. UTG and button call.
Turn comes K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet out for $120, two callers.
River comes 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
At this point, I'm worried about what UTG could have so I check. I check, he immediately moves all-in for $720. Button folds. Do I call or fold in this spot?

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The only reason to check this river is if you intend to call. I hope you didn't fold, I'm pretty sure this is a "damn, that guy who I thought was tight all night pulled some stupid [censored]."