AK misses again

#1 12-20-2005, 01:23 AM

Villians are pretty loose/semi-aggressive. Nothing fancy. On the flop, should I: bet/call, bet/fold, or check/call as I did. If I get called by 1 player after betting, do you fire again, or check/fold. It's these types of situations that I find very difficult especially OOP.

Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

gharp · #2 12-20-2005, 01:36 AM

I usually bet/call the flop, but against 4 opponents I don't hate a check/call.

I'd call on the turn too. It's very likely that your A's and K's are outs too.

#3 12-20-2005, 01:43 AM

Bet the flop, you are on a straight draw. If you get reraised, call. (Bet/Call)

Then check the turn. You have 4 outs to the nut straight, and then 6 more outs to pair one of your overcards. Since it's just you and the Button, call his turn bet, and fold the river if you don't catch your outs.

jba · #4 12-20-2005, 01:47 AM

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I usually bet/call the flop, but against 4 opponents I don't hate a check/call.

I'd call on the turn too. It's very likely that your A's and K's are outs too.

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there are a ton of villain can be holding here that make our A/K outs dirty.

Redd · #5 12-20-2005, 02:00 AM

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I usually bet/call the flop, but against 4 opponents I don't hate a check/call.

I'd call on the turn too. It's very likely that your A's and K's are outs too.

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there are a ton of villain can be holding here that make our A/K outs dirty.

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While this is true, we do still have a good number of outs here. Plus said flop bet might actually clean up our over outs. I don't hate leading the flop here.

jba · #6 12-20-2005, 02:03 AM

oh i have no problem leading the flop I'm wondering about the turn call

Redd · #7 12-20-2005, 02:17 AM

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Sorry, I somehow misread the first part of the post you were replying to.
Even so, I still like a turn peel. We're getting 6:1 right now. With 3 of our outs to the nuts (4 to the functional nuts), we don't even need 2 overcard outs between the 6 aces/kings to have the implied odds to peel. And there's not much that a 'pretty loose aggressive' villain could have here that gives us <2 OC outs.
The way it played out, I'd call.

gharp · #8 12-20-2005, 04:01 AM

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I usually bet/call the flop, but against 4 opponents I don't hate a check/call.

I'd call on the turn too. It's very likely that your A's and K's are outs too.

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there are a ton of villain can be holding here that make our A/K outs dirty.

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Maybe, but I don't think it's that bad since most of the reverse-dominating hands that dirty up our outs would've likely raised preflop.

gharp · #9 12-20-2005, 04:05 AM

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I think that would make a great band name. That is all.

jt1 · #10 12-20-2005, 04:16 AM

against just 3 opponents and one of them has already checked, I think this is a pretty standard flop lead.

On the turn, you should give yourself 3 overcard outs and 4 to the straight. Reverse domination is a concern as you'll loose one bb if you hit a tainted out and wont gain more than one bb if you hit any of your live outs. But you have more live outs than tainted ones so this seems like a +ev call.