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12-12-2005, 11:27 PM
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Re: Tookie, tookie, tookie... what about the victims?
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"Wow, you have reached a new low in my book. Who are you to judge the value of any other human's life." Does anybody else see the contradiction in this statement? [/ QUOTE ] My personal opinions of you have nothing to do with the value of your life. If you were killed I'd support the normal prosecution of your murderer, nothinig more, nothing less. But I could still see you as a lowlife bastard. 
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12-12-2005, 11:43 PM
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Re: Tookie, tookie, tookie... what about the victims?
But surely the guy who killed me should not be punished as severly for killing a low life bastard like me compared to...an innocent young girl.
There are degrees of badness.
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12-12-2005, 11:27 PM
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Who are you to judge the value of any other human's life. [/ QUOTE ] I don't agree with Peter666, but all you who support abortion make that same value judgement, especially regarding partial birth abortion where a borderline viable fetus is partially delivered so that its head might be crushed.
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12-12-2005, 11:30 PM
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I don't agree with Peter666, but all you who support abortion make that same value judgement, especially regarding partial birth abortion where a borderline viable fetus is partially delivered so that its head might be crushed. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly the line of reasoning that's changed a number of opinions about the death penalty. Mine included.
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12-12-2005, 11:37 PM
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Re: Tookie, tookie, tookie... what about the victims?
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[ QUOTE ] Who are you to judge the value of any other human's life. [/ QUOTE ] I don't agree with Peter666, but all you who support abortion make that same value judgement, especially regarding partial birth abortion where a borderline viable fetus is partially delivered so that its head might be crushed. [/ QUOTE ] The death penelty and abortion are two completely seperate issues. While they both involve the destruction of life they do it forvery different reasons. The death penalty is based on a flawed idea of justice and detterence. Because of this it is a terrible system. Abortion advocate mostly do not believe in abortion as a form of birth control. It is not there so you can have all the sex you want consequence free. For most it is an issue of personal control over ones body (mostly females). Also there are strong elements of quality of life issues and ability to raise a child. The base for each movement is so diametrically different that they really cannot be compared.
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12-12-2005, 11:45 PM
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Re: Tookie, tookie, tookie... what about the victims?
You cannot make that distinction between abortion and the death penalty, even though it is clear by your comments that you impugn the motives of many who advocate abortion.
There has to be a respect and protection of life from conception to natural death, with the exceptions on the death penalty I noted in my post above, or a person's life isn't given its full value and respect, and will be subject to the whims and personal gain of others.
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12-13-2005, 02:01 AM
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Re: Tookie, tookie, tookie... what about the victims?
So, for those of you who are misinformed in reference to murders Tookie is indirectly responsible for; what about Hitler? He didin't kill Jews personally, yet he is responsible fore the death of millions. The principle remains. Tookie is guilty. If, and only if, he took a life should he be executed. Being an accomplice should bring him life imprisonment; no parole. Some say, "Tookie wrote books for teen violence prevention;" that's well and good, however, he committed a CRIME! He should pay!
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12-13-2005, 02:56 AM
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Re: Tookie, tookie, tookie... what about the victims?
Murder is wrong. No question about it. Tookie killed and should be punished. No question about it. Should Tookie be murdered by the State? No, murder is wrong.
The State should not engage in activities it deems unlawful.
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12-13-2005, 03:31 AM
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Re: Tookie, tookie, tookie... what about the victims?
A little info on the victims, since I have yet to see any in this thread:
Williams was convicted for the slaying of Yen-I Yang, his wife Tsai-Shai Yang, and daughter Yee-Chen Lin during a robbery at the hotel that the family owned in Los Angeles. According to a Chinese-language Sing Tao Daily report on Dec 11, Yen-I Yang, a former middle school English teacher, immigrated from Taiwan to the United States in 1970 after he retired. The Yangs invested their money in a motel in south Los Angeles called Brookhaven. Mr. Chen, a friend of the Yang family, told the Sing Tao Daily that customers at the motel only stayed for one or two hours at a time, creating a quick flow of clients and a large cash reserve that attracted robbers. On the morning of March 11, 1979, Williams allegedly broke down the door into the motel, shooting Tsai-Shai Yang, who was sitting at the front desk. Williams then shot and killed Yen-I Yang, who was sitting on a couch nearby and his daughter, Lin, who came into the room. Williams then took $100 from the cash register and fled. Yang’s son, Robert Yang, was in an adjacent room, heard the commotion and found his father, mother, and sister, who were all shot at close range. The article doesn't mention that the victims were shotgunned at close range. Roast in hell, scumbag. Hope your Crip G's are preparing a nice welcoming party for you. Pacific News dot org
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