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Old 11-06-2005, 06:45 PM
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Default Complete madness.

At what point am I supposed to fold here?

PokerStars Game #2990210642: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/11/06 - 17:38:04 (ET)
Table 'Celuta IV' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Eskie ($35.25 in chips)
Seat 2: potsmokerz ($105.65 in chips)
Seat 3: dsaxton ($96.90 in chips)
Seat 4: tohusker ($18 in chips)
Seat 5: RobieG ($65.20 in chips)
Seat 6: dundyking ($38.55 in chips)
Seat 7: Kinojing ($38 in chips)
Seat 8: ONEPOT ($98.55 in chips)
Seat 9: chris75 ($109.75 in chips)
Eskie: posts small blind $0.50
potsmokerz: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [4d 7c Ad 2h]
dsaxton: calls $1
tohusker: folds
RobieG: folds
dundyking: calls $1
Kinojing: folds
ONEPOT: raises $2 to $3
chris75: calls $3
Eskie: calls $2.50
potsmokerz: calls $2
dsaxton: calls $2
dundyking: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [5c 4c 7s]
Eskie: checks
potsmokerz: bets $8
dsaxton: calls $8
dundyking: calls $8
ONEPOT: raises $22 to $30
chris75: folds
Eskie: raises $2.25 to $32.25 and is all-in
potsmokerz: calls $24.25
dsaxton: calls $24.25
dundyking: calls $24.25
ONEPOT: calls $2.25
*** TURN *** [5c 4c 7s] [Qc]
potsmokerz: checks
dsaxton: checks
dundyking: bets $3.30 and is all-in
ONEPOT: raises $60 to $63.30 and is all-in
potsmokerz: folds
dsaxton: calls $61.65 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [5c 4c 7s Qc] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dsaxton: shows [4d 7c Ad 2h] (HI: two pair, Sevens and Fours; LO: 7,5,4,2,A)
ONEPOT: shows [2c Kh Th Ac] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,5,4,2,A)
ONEPOT collected $58.35 from side pot-2
dsaxton collected $29.20 from side pot-2
ONEPOT collected $29.15 from side pot-2
dundyking: shows [7d As 2s Ah] (HI: a pair of Aces; LO: 7,5,4,2,A)
ONEPOT collected $4.95 from side pot-1
dsaxton collected $1.65 from side pot-1
dundyking collected $1.65 from side pot-1
ONEPOT collected $1.65 from side pot-1
Eskie: mucks hand
ONEPOT collected $88.15 from main pot
dsaxton collected $29.40 from main pot
dundyking collected $29.35 from main pot
ONEPOT collected $29.35 from main pot
Eskie leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $305.85 Main pot $176.25. Side pot-1 $9.90. Side pot-2 $116.70. | Rake $3
Board [5c 4c 7s Qc 8s]
Seat 1: Eskie (small blind) mucked [6h 5h 6c 5d]
Seat 2: potsmokerz (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: dsaxton showed [4d 7c Ad 2h] and won ($60.25) with HI: two pair, Sevens and Fours; LO: 7,5,4,2,A
Seat 4: tohusker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: RobieG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dundyking showed [7d As 2s Ah] and won ($31) with HI: a pair of Aces; LO: 7,5,4,2,A
Seat 7: Kinojing folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ONEPOT showed [2c Kh Th Ac] and won ($211.60) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,5,4,2,A
Seat 9: chris75 (button) folded on the Flop
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Old 11-06-2005, 06:56 PM
graarrg graarrg is offline
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Default Re: Complete madness.

It looks like you didn't end up doing too bad (-$5 net), but in my experience, I fold to the $8 on the flop. Maybe that's too passive a play, but: 1) I have an unprotected nut low. 2) There were preflop raises 3) the coordinated board and the multiwayness of the pot make it unlikely that you're getting the high end.

Maybe if I look back and analyze the stack sizes on each respective round my decision would change, but as far as my instinctive play, it's a fold.
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Old 11-06-2005, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Complete madness.

I lost half my stack.
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Old 11-06-2005, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: Complete madness.

I would have raised the maximum amount on the flop. It takes a very specific hand for you to be a dog when heads-up. So raise and try to make it happen. If you take this approach, you're committed to the hand and will then have to commit the rest of your stack if/when any other opponents move in on you. It's a high variance play, but should be +EV both now and may also add some EV to your image.
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Old 11-06-2005, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: Complete madness.

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I lost half my stack.

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Right, for some reason I read the ~$30 side pot as being yours.

Oops.
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:23 PM
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Default Re: Complete madness.

When to fold made nut low + 2 pair: Never.
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: Complete madness.

I'm pretty new at this, but don't you at least need to fold the turn? You're almost certainly splitting the low, and you've only got 4 non-nut outs to high (someone has to have the flush). Even on the flop it seems pretty clear that both Ax clubs and and A2 are out in other hands.
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: Complete madness.

As it turns out with the actual hands, you had the worst hand pre-flop, almost the worst hand on the flop, and just one out to high on the turn (3 vs the remaining live money).
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