Something I'm thinking through in the super-loose Nanos.

[Doc7]

Ok, this is a problem I encounter a few times each session. I am either the button or the cutoff (maybe even a blind...where in fact this question applies even more because of the positional problems that arise) and i get dealt: AA KK QQ JJ or AK, AQ. Of the 6 or 7 people who acted in front of me, 4, 5 or even 6 of them called! Most of them probably have A3o, K6s, J9, the under the gun player has 76o, etc. We're talking 5 piddly cents here (not half a bet, not to these guys)

I want to raise. I SHOULD raise. However, the problem is that some of these, and yes i'll call them, fish/idiots who called with 57o in UTG+1, are going to flop a gutshot. Others will flop 3 to a flush, etc. Good, these guys are gonna be drawing against me and the majority of the time, they will be shoveling me their money. BUT...If I raise before the flop, and nobody but the small blinds fold (common ), there will be as many as 7, 8, or 9 BB in that pot on the flop. I'm making it CORRECT for the fish to call now!

I'm starting to wonder if it is +EV to raise with AKs on the button with 7 callers ahead of me. Doesn't this make the awful fish play on later streets move closer to correct, by doubling the pot odds they get with their idiot-end gutshots and Jack high flush draws, and their pair of Aces with 5 kicker?

Or is this a problem that is simply unavoidable, and I should loudly and proudly click raise with big slick and QQ?

[shadow29]

come on dude.

[Doc7]

shadow, I'm serious.

I know I want them calling me with junk, but don't I want the pot to stay relatively small until I can nail them with total-mistake calls on the turn?

[shadow29]

[ QUOTE ]
shadow, I'm serious.

I know I want them calling me with junk, but don't I want the pot to stay relatively small until I can nail them with total-mistake calls on the turn?

[/ QUOTE ]

You're ignoring the mistake THEY ALREADY MADE by entering the pot!!!!!

[UATrewqaz]

SSHE: "Pot Equity" sections

RAISE RAISE RAISE RAISE RAISE preflop with AA/KK/QQ against a full field.

[Xhad]

Your two choices:

-Collect two awful calls from them preflop, then collect one possibly correct call from them after the flop.
-Collect one awful call from them preflop, then collect one probably incorrect call from them after the flop.

I know which one I choose.

[Doc7]

...I don't know why I am so hesitant over the "possibly" correct part, but I see the point.

SSHE is in the mail by the way.

[benkath1]

[ QUOTE ]
SSHE is in the mail by the way.

[/ QUOTE ]

That should change your thinking in this matter.

Protecting your hand in the nanos is nearly impossible. They're gonna call and they're gonna call. That's where you work on your postflop hand reading skillz. But this way of thinking is terrible. When you have the best hand, make em pay. If they suckout on you, just consider it a loan, and get ready to collect.

[magates]

[ QUOTE ]
If they suckout on you, just consider it a loan, and get ready to collect.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm going to print this out and nail it to my desk.

[Eeegah]

Ugh, have you been reading crap like this?