Totally lost TPWK - weird hand

[intheflatfield]

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I read him as

Flop: "I bet my draws small and my made hands big. I'm on a draw, and since the flop is rainbow, I'm on an OESD."

Turn: "I made my straight, betting bigger now."

River: "I'm surprised you're still here, but since you are I'll just value bet this puppy."

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This is my take as well FWIW. It's still a tough situation, but I don't think he has trips. IMO, had that been the case he would have been more likely to check the turn, trying to induce a bluff.

[fuzzbox]

My take ...

Flop "Im strong, please raise me"
Turn "Bah, you didnt raise me ... have THIS"
River "Sh1t the flush got there, better block"

Alternate line
Flop "Im drawing, please keep it cheap ... not that it matters, Im planning to call your raise"
Turn "Made my str8 ... HAVE THIS"
River "damn the flush got there, better block"

Course, it could be 77 :-).

[wdeadwyler]

Definately raise the flop, he didnt even pot it.

[djoyce003]

I think he flopped an OESD and hit it on the turn.

[TheWorstPlayer]

All,

These are really great responses. Thanks, guys. I'm quite interested in hearing more about if you raise the flop and he calls and you check the turn behind and he bets (either small or big) on the river do you ever call? Also, as played on the flop, does anyone do anything differently on the turn or river?

TWP

[wdeadwyler]

We of course check behind on the turn. Ill prob fold to almost all river bets, except maybe like 1/3 pot or so. If he bets less than half I will do some thinking (and prob muck), if he bets more than half I am mucking 100% of the time.

[Voltron87]

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I'm quite interested in hearing more about if you raise the flop and he calls and you check the turn behind and he bets (either small or big) on the river do you ever call?

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i [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] reads, I will fold 4/5 times and always against tightish players but sometimes i will consider calling if he is a player i have seen bluffing before. but standard play is definitely fold.

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Also, as played on the flop, does anyone do anything differently on the turn or river?

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fold somewhere. usually the turn

[4_2_it]

Raise the flop, I think a re-raise allows you to get away and it might get you to the river free where you can call a value bet for a cheap showdown.

As played, fold the turn. At the 200's , when I come across guys betting like this it seems to be they have a solid (set or 3rd nut straight), but not great hand and don't know how to play it, but they know enough to know they should be betting. So they bet goofy amounts which have no rhyme or reason to a thinking player.

If this guy was bluffing three barrels, then you have just found an undiscovered ATM.

[amead]

My read is that BB has a premium hand. He's calling your raise, and then immediately baiting the PFR with a small flop bet. I'd say TT+ are really very likely from villian.

With that being said, I get the impression that his flop bet was a teaser please-raise-me-so-I-can-shove-in-a-truckload type of bet, and when you called, I think he is squarely putting you on unpaired overs.

A straight draw seems unbelievably unlikely to me, as the only one getting there on the turn is 67, which I wouldn't say would be likely to call that PFR out of position.

With that being said, I think with your line you're going to see villian turn up a big(ger) pair most of the time.

Seeing all the action after the flop, I'd get into my way back machine and raise the flop as many have suggested and see if you can pick off someone trying to snap off the PFR on a ragged board, and then eject like crazy unless you hit a miracle turn card (a 7 or even a 9 wouldn't _thrill_ me, but they'd probably get me to showdown, picking up the diamond draw or the sweet 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] would keep me in as well).

I'd need something that could beat say JJ, imho.

[c_strong]

It's a funny old line, no doubt. I'm not sure he actually has a real strategy - I think he's blundering about a bit. My guess is he also had a weakish 9, and in fact I'm going to stick my neck out and say 98. So he thinks:

Flop - cool, top pair. Weak kicker though. Maybe I'll bet a little under half the pot - might take it down here or milk a bit more out of a worse hand.

Turn - all right! top two. I'm going to bet the pot, or thereabouts - I really hope he calls.

River - woah - 89T on the board and a three flush. This guy stuck around - maybe he had some kind of draw. I can't check but I can't bear the thought of making a big bet which gets raised and having to lay it down. Guess I'll make a blocking bet, which will get some more value out because I'm probably ahead ... aren't I?.

(Not saying I agree with the above logic btw [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )