AA PF

kitaristi0 · #1 10-11-2005, 04:23 PM

Inspired by Ed Miller's article in the 2+2 Magazine this month:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) converter

UTG ($28.40)
UTG+1 ($60.95)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($23.75)
MP3 ($10.20)
CO ($14.05)
Hero ($33.25)
SB ($26.95)
BB ($37.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero goes all-in

Some notes on the villains. The BB is the epitomy of fish. AI PF w/ T4o, J7s and K3o, and this in the past ten hands. He's played every pot for the last 40 or so hands.

MP1 is on uber crazy ass monkey tilt, due to losing 3 AI PF vs. BB in the last ten hands [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img], while holding such monsters as A3o, KQo and 44. He's played every pot for the last ten hands, a major calling station.

Is my play here a waste of AA? I'm thinking that the few times everyone folds are more than compensated by the time that someone calls with his Q5o.

PinkSteel · #2 10-11-2005, 04:31 PM

I tried this once a while back when it was my first hand at the table. Profit: $0.35.

Player reads notwithstanding, you're on the button; don't waste your position. If he's on monkey tilt your chances look great postflop too. And even if he calls your all-in with Q5o, he can STILL suck out on you; then who's on monkey tilt?

Falcon1511 · #3 10-11-2005, 04:59 PM

This is a horrible play. Not only are you not maximizing your expected gain with your aces, you are not adding any deception to your game. How many other times are you going to go all in? If every time you go all in people know you have a huge hand, they aren't going to call with Q-5o.

Instead play aces like you would play any other hand you would raise with. Whatever a standard raise is for the table make that raise with aces. True you are going to get sucked out on a heck of a lot more because people will call. BUT you want people to call. When you have aces, everyone else has a worse hand. You don't want the whole table to call, because then you are only like a 35% favorite to win.

Raise a normal raise here, anything else is bad form. One tip on raising is try to make all of your raises look similar. If you have to, raise the same amount every time. That way people will not be able to read your hand. Raise the same with 10-9 suited as you do with AA, and at least online you are very tough to get a read on.

amoeba · #4 10-11-2005, 05:07 PM

if you felt this particular table had a high likelyhood of calling it, then its fine.

whether your assessment is true or not, your guess is as good and probably better than mine.

RicktheRuler · #5 10-11-2005, 05:09 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Inspired by Ed Miller's article in the 2+2 Magazine this month:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) converter

UTG ($28.40)
UTG+1 ($60.95)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($23.75)
MP3 ($10.20)
CO ($14.05)
Hero ($33.25)
SB ($26.95)
BB ($37.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero goes all-in

Some notes on the villains. The BB is the epitomy of fish. AI PF w/ T4o, J7s and K3o, and this in the past ten hands. He's played every pot for the last 40 or so hands.

MP1 is on uber crazy ass monkey tilt, due to losing 3 AI PF vs. BB in the last ten hands [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img], while holding such monsters as A3o, KQo and 44. He's played every pot for the last ten hands, a major calling station.

Is my play here a waste of AA? I'm thinking that the few times everyone folds are more than compensated by the time that someone calls with his Q5o.

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**Throwing up in my mouth.**

Big_Jim · #6 10-11-2005, 05:10 PM

[ QUOTE ]
You don't want the whole table to call, because then you are only like a 35% favorite to win.

[/ QUOTE ]
If we're going all in, I want everybody else to call.

Falcon1511 · #7 10-11-2005, 05:22 PM

lol, if everyone calls all-in I would love it too if I had aces. You have an equity edge on the pot. Just don't be mad when you lose over 60% of the time.

Big_Jim · #8 10-11-2005, 05:23 PM

9:1 on a 2:1 bet = +EV!!

excession · #9 10-11-2005, 05:46 PM

Reads: Lresono is true maniac, bunk a sLAG

$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 11, 15:01:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 65405 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Lresono ( $306.65 )
Seat 2: bunk05 ( $80.07 )
Seat 4: consilience ( $95.50 )
Traumacide posts small blind [$0.50].
SaraDarling posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to consilience [K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]][A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Lresono calls [$1].
bunk05 calls [$1].
CrazyforNuts folds.
consilience raises [$5].
Traumacide folds.
SaraDarling folds.
Lresono calls [$4].
bunk05 calls [$4].

** Dealing Flop ** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Lresono bets [$10].
bunk05 raises [$20].
consilience is all-In.

bunk05 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]

** Dealing River ** [T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
bunk05 shows [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] two pairs, aces and tens.

bunk05 wins $173.64 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and tens.

OK reload - at least I have a super loose donk image now..

2 minutes later:
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 11, 15:03:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 65405 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: bunk05 ( $176.24 )
Seat 5: Traumacide ( $112.15 )
Seat 6: SaraDarling ( $109.39 )
Seat 1: Lresono ( $291.65 )
Seat 3: CrazyforNuts ( $115.15 )
Seat 4: consilience ( $100 )
CrazyforNuts posts small blind [$0.50].
consilience posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to consilience [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Traumacide raises [$4].
SaraDarling folds.
bunk05 calls [$4].
Lresono has left the table.
CrazyforNuts folds.
consilience is all-In.
Traumacide calls [$96].
bunk05 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
** Dealing Turn ** [5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
** Dealing River ** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Traumacide shows [K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] high card ace.
consilience shows [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] a pair of aces.
consilience wins $202.50 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

AND the very next hand:

$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 11, 15:04:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 65405 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: bunk05 ( $172.24 )
Seat 5: Traumacide ( $12.15 )
Seat 6: SaraDarling ( $109.39 )
Seat 3: CrazyforNuts ( $114.65 )
Seat 4: consilience ( $202.50 )
consilience posts small blind [$0.50].
Traumacide posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to consilience [7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
SaraDarling calls [$1].
bunk05 folds.
CrazyforNuts folds.
consilience calls [$0.50].
Traumacide checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
consilience bets [$1].
Traumacide folds.
SaraDarling raises [$2].
consilience raises [$9].
SaraDarling raises [$33].
consilience is all-In.
SaraDarling is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
** Dealing River ** [K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
SaraDarling shows [A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] a pair of aces.
consilience shows [7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] two pairs, eights and sevens.
consilience wins $93.11 from side pot #1 with two pairs, eights and sevens.
consilience wins $217.78 from the main pot with two pairs, eights and sevens.
Traumacide has left the table.

Hmm - and they say you can't invest in an image on the $100 tables [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[seriously I know how lucky I got here but clearly the all in push with AA was the right move in hand two as it must have looked like I was on tilt]

Morrek · #10 10-11-2005, 05:50 PM

hahaha , nice ones :P