a tight flop spot in the big blind hand quiz

[jason_t]

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this would be great if you were allin.

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And since he's not, it'd be better if he were in position.

Stop using PokerStove to make preflop decisions!

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wierd...very weird distribution you have here for your poll.

i was on the wierd end of it. MP bets after limp/calling preflop. he likely has the spade draw/pair + draw/naked 9/ naked T if hes really bad/T+pair. many of these hands you dont want there. the spade draw wont fold. but a hdn like K7s will likely fold for 2 cold. further, the CO could easily be raising overs in position for a free card or has a pair. I think you have enough equity here to warrant getting the pot HU and cleaning up outs to raise.

so i voted raise.

on the turn w/ the As, you check if you raised or called ont he flop. if the spade or T or 5 comes on the river, bet. otherwise, check fold.

Barron

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I thought about whether the hero is better off raising the flop or calling and I came to the conclusion that the CO is probably not raising overs on this kind of flop. This is obvioulsy just a guess but on this board even aggressive players will call or fold with their overs instead of raising. And I also felt that the MP guy is not betting into the raiser with a draw unless its a combo draw with a pair. So with the combination that I felt the CO had an overpair and that the MP guy probably had a pair that he may or may not fold, I decided that the hero is not going to win this hand unless he hits so calling is best in my opinion. Im not really saying Im right here, just telling you what I was thinking.

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OK, so the majority of people are going for calling. I was thinking that raising might have been the popular play to try to push him out of a draw, but his odds will be slightly better (calling 2) than mine if he's on a draw. It will be easy for him to call if he's on a draw for 1 more, but he might reraise. He would probably fold a 7 or 6 though.

Anyway, as with the vote, I called, MP2 calls behind.

Turn: (7 BB) A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (3 players) </font>
Hero .....

Action is on me with a flush draw plus now an overcard. What now for my K9?

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If the villain has JJs,QQs,or KKs with no spade, this will be the scariest turn card ever. If you think the villain is capable of folding these type of hands than you should checkraise the turn, if not check/call.

[sthief09]

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probably getting 7:1 I think it's an easy call. Do I have 12.5% equity in a 4-way hand with K9o? Pokerstove gives me about 20% vs typical limping, raising &amp; sb complete-two hands.

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you're out of position with a hand that is spectacular at being second best. if only the game was as easy as preflop equity...

[sthief09]

I like a raise. you take a bit the worst of it right now but this is definitely a board where you can start cleaning up some outs. you might be able to fold out a T, making a 9 good, or you could fold out bottom pair that could beat you if you hit a K. you could also fold out some bigger spades if they don't have much.

[DcifrThs]

thats a lot of pretty stringent assumptions you've set out there...

loosen them just a touch and i think you're decision changes.

Barron

[BottlesOf]

I fold preflop, but here I'd call. It's probably somewhat close, but I think it's best.

[W. Deranged]

There seems to be quite a bit of value in raising to try to clean up K outs and even possibly backdoor [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] outs.

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thats a lot of pretty stringent assumptions you've set out there...

loosen them just a touch and i think you're decision changes.

Barron

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You have a point. I do however think it is at least very close between calling and raising.

[jetsonsdogcanfly]

K9o is a hand that has substantial reverse-implied odds relative to its equity. In some spots, you clearly miss and fold- oh well, that goes into the 80% bucket. In spots where you hit, it is ulikely that you will be adequately compensated if in fact you have a winner. But how easily are you going to get away from a flop you get a piece of?

Basically, you have to win more than you lose in the hands you continue with for the preflop call to be +EV. Unless your opponents are very bad, this is more easily said than done with a hand like K9.