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Questionable flop call (?)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter
Button (t13255) SB (t31745) BB (t13190) Hero (t9215) MP (t10580) Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1200</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t800. Flop: (t2100) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t11965</font>, Hero calls t6790 (All-In). Turn: (t22055) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: (t22055) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t22055 The all-in guy was maybe a bit laggy and very unpredictable. I had odds to draw to the flush alone but is it really smart or could I have folded this on the flop ? |
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Re: Questionable flop call (?)
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter Button (t13255) SB (t31745) BB (t13190) Hero (t9215) MP (t10580) Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1200</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t800. Flop: (t2100) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t11965</font>, Hero calls t6790 (All-In). Turn: (t22055) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: (t22055) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t22055 The all-in guy was maybe a bit laggy and very unpredictable. I had odds to draw to the flush alone but is it really smart or could I have folded this on the flop ? [/ QUOTE ] As for your flop call, you have to call 6790 to win 10270, so about 1.5:1 or so (I think that's right). Unless you feel as if you are up against the straight or a set, you have to call here with what I think is 11 outs. I think the call is fine. If you don't lead and he pushes, you should probably be folding. But I lead here every time too. Brad |
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Re: Questionable flop call (?)
its a fine call with the amount of outs you have (flush and overs) with being able to see turn and river without any more betting.
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Re: Questionable flop call (?)
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I had odds to draw to the flush alone [/ QUOTE ] No, you don't. You are about 2 to 1 to make your flush and only getting 1.5 to 1 odds. If your A is good then you're getting exactly the right odds but you shouldn't be calling off all your stack unless it's +EV, which means you're getting better odds then your chance of making the hand. Both your A and J have to be good to make this call. Given your description as a bit laggy you can probably assume that both cards are live so I'd call. |
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Re: Questionable flop call (?)
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If your A is good then you're getting exactly the right odds but you shouldn't be calling off all your stack unless it's +EV, which means you're getting better odds then your chance of making the hand. Both your A and J have to be good to make this call. Given your description as a bit laggy you can probably assume that both cards are live so I'd call. [/ QUOTE ] We are around 46% to win versus KK, QQ, JJ with no spade in them. We are 43% against the same hands with a spade in them. We are ahead of 1010 and 99, and 47% against 88 with a spade. So the only hands that make this hand a fold is 55-77, 3-4, 4-8, 8-9 and AA. Pretty hard to narrow the villian's range to just these hands. I still think it is +EV to call here. Brad |
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Re: Questionable flop call (?)
Ukay, good it wasn't a horrible mistake at least, I was against 84 of diamonds [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Re: Questionable flop call (?)
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Ukay, good it wasn't a horrible mistake at least, I was against 84 of diamonds [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Eh, you were still just 36% to win versus this hand, so it was almost correct even with those holding. Throw in the other possible hands and it's a good call. Sorry it didn't work out. Brad |
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