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Old 12-14-2005, 01:07 AM
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Default ATo in 6-way pot ($11)

What's my line here? I'm obviously not super short on chips, but I'm not great either. I don't remember too many reads, except that MP1 had something like a 77% VPIP. I considered folding this pre-flop, but I figured that in an unraised pot there was a decent chance that I had the best A. I know I throw this away a lot, but I think I pick up the pot very often when an A comes out. If I remember the table correctly (and I may not), I get paid off by some worse aces at least sometimes. Plus, I have position.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

BB (t985)
UTG (t980)
UTG+1 (t590)
MP1 (t975)
MP2 (t605)
MP3 (t1140)
CO (t735)
Hero (t695)
SB (t1295)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t50, Hero calls t50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t300) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero...
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: ATo in 6-way pot ($11)

My first thought was to just muck this preflop.

I changed my mind and i think a push could be a decent play here depending on reads, pushing 695 to pick up 225 here is a big help to your stack.

p.s. i hate the call
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:37 AM
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This early, with this many people, I'd fold this pre-flop. But as it is, I would probably put in a pot-size bet or maybe a little less. Anybody with an A is going to call (in my opinion), and people without an A will not like this flop very much (if they didn't flop a monster).
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:23 AM
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Default Re: ATo in 6-way pot ($11)

Fold on the button with ATo and three limpers..? Seems awful weak-tight to me. Well, anyway, you have to bet this I think, for value if nothing else. I hate how it's a dry flop though so AJ/AQ/AK could be in there (though the last two, you would hope, would raise pf). I don't agree with pushing though. There's absolutely no need.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:30 AM
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I bet the flop for t250, it's a nice situation because it looks so much like a bluff due to the 5 checks ahead, and therefore you'll get worse hands than usual looking you up, I'm probably going to the felt with this hand if I'm raised... just because I see so often middle pocket pairs coming over the top, thinking you're buying the pot.

PF I also limp along, I'm on the button and the pot is nice, I'll happily take a flop, I agree that folding does just seem too weak/tight.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:13 PM
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I bet the flop for t250, it's a nice situation because it looks so much like a bluff due to the 5 checks ahead, and therefore you'll get worse hands than usual looking you up, I'm probably going to the felt with this hand if I'm raised... just because I see so often middle pocket pairs coming over the top, thinking you're buying the pot.

PF I also limp along, I'm on the button and the pot is nice, I'll happily take a flop, I agree that folding does just seem too weak/tight.

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IMO, a 250 chip bet here from his stack does not look like he's buying the pot at all. If you had 99 for example, and there were 5 other people in the hand, and the flop came ace high, you're gonna check-raise and put him all in? That's nuts.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:58 AM
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Default Re: ATo in 6-way pot ($11)

What would you do here if there were only 2 limpers? 1 limper?

Would you be still inclined to limp the former and raise the latter? Or maybe fold since your pot odds decrease?

*confused about these marginal hands in the 7-12xBB zone*
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: ATo in 6-way pot ($11)

2 limpers, I'd have to give it some thought. 1 limper, I may well shove, dependant on reads.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:59 AM
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Fold on the button with ATo and three limpers..? Seems awful weak-tight to me. Well, anyway, you have to bet this I think, for value if nothing else. I hate how it's a dry flop though so AJ/AQ/AK could be in there (though the last two, you would hope, would raise pf). I don't agree with pushing though. There's absolutely no need.

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Do you mean that you don't like pushing pf or on the flop? I'm not sure what to do on the flop other than push. Even if I only bet 200, I'm down to 445, and I'm certainly going to call any push. I suppose that 445 isn't an unreasonably low number, so maybe 200 would be a good bet.

Thanks,
Will

P.S. In an $11, I pretty much assume that AJ-AK are going to be raise pf, although I do run into AK and AQ (but not AJ) limped often enough to at least think about this. However, I usually don't worry about it unless I have a particular read.
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