Two in one, overbet river and fishy c/r

wdeadwyler · #1 11-23-2005, 04:14 AM

Is this standard? Should I be doing this more.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($49.35)
Hero ($150.45)
BB ($49.65)
UTG ($22.50)
MP ($44.65)
CO ($54.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
3 folds, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $1.56, BB calls $1.56, Button folds.

Turn: ($4.62) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4.

River: ($12.62) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players), Hero is All In (around 39 more for villain)

And then this hand

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Hero ($179.59)
Button ($29.25)
SB ($40.20)
BB ($60.52)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero raises to $2, Button calls $2, SB (poster) calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5, Button folds.

Turn: ($16.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB is All in (23 mas)

Both villains are typical, uknown 50nl donks.

comments on both hands please. Is hand one standard? Hand two read based?

ajmargarine · #2 11-23-2005, 04:40 AM

Hand #1, meh, knock yourself out if you think you get a call. I'd probably bet pot cuz I'm a nit.

Hand #2--SB's line is a decent line if he has a set. Hoping for you to raise him on the flop so he can 3-bet. When that doesn't happen he plans the c/r on the turn. I suppose 45s could be played that way as well. Read would be real helpful on that, but it's tough folding TPTK on that board. Are you having to call $13 or $23 there?

wdeadwyler · #3 11-23-2005, 04:42 AM

Hand 1: He calls me with any queen, dont you think?

Hand 2: Its 23 more. This is how me and you play sets, but NOT how donks play sets.

ajmargarine · #4 11-23-2005, 05:01 AM

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Hand 1: He calls me with any queen, dont you think?

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Probably...maybe. He is BB so he maybe has a junk Q he can laydown to your obvious better Q. If he had a nice queen, I'm surprised you didn't hear about it with a turn raise. OTOH, he will often call you down here also with a pp if you just bet pot. That is quite the massive overbet.

Hand #2, still not sure about. Have to go with you gut on that one. I'm leaning toward a call.

wdeadwyler · #5 11-23-2005, 05:07 AM

Hand 1: I bet pot and get called 100% of time by pp, queen.

I push and get called 25% of time by any queen.

1*8=8

.25*39= 13

Overbet is better?

(Im brand new to this type of analyisis so Im SURE that it sucks. Feel free to correct my thinking with the real way to do this)