VPIP 30/20 today, 20/15 yesterday.... and tomorrow?

[naphand]

I call BS on this.

30/20 is correct given the right game conditions, and that really is the point. Most people do not understand how to adjust their "game-plan" to the opponents they face (it is the area of the game I am working on right now). While 30/20 might be right against players who can fold, or players who do not know how to defend their blinds but I doubt it is correct in many situations. The ability to identify conditions and adjust is a critical skill when playing this many hands and showing this much aggression. There are games where it is not correct and there are players who do not have the skill to play it. Therefore, it is not always correct today, yesterday or tomorrow.

I seem to recall a long time ago, people used to say "there are no absolutes in poker". Which is probably more or less true [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. Statements such as "30/20 is correct" serve no instructive purpose and many forum readers will be mislead by such statements. Strategy and adaptability are what count, not bland statistics like these which say nothing about post-flop ability, image or game conditions.

[helpmeout]

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"there are no absolutes in poker"

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Strategy and adaptability are what count

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correct

[kiddo]

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30/20 was correct today, yesterday, and will be correct for the rest of our lives.

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Irony [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

This is excatly the kind of statement that made me write this post.

[stigmata]

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I just walked over to the coffee shop in our hospital to grabs some lunch. On the wall there is a picture with the slogan:

"Only those who adapt survive" -- Charles Darwin

...the picture is of a Shark!

[Silverback]

What players might they are be?

I dont know any players winning at that rate playing that style.

[Silverback]

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Why do you say this? You dont play this style in 6 max so why advocate it?

Or have you loosened up?

[mperich]

That I have heard of, Nikla, Schneids, Nate, Gazza, I think Peter_Rus, and myself. There could be others Im sure I am missing that I havent seen winrates posted from.

-Mike

[stigmata]

I think I remember that Schneids mentioning that he frequently played tighter than optimal, but he was like 96-tabling or something at the time.

[Silverback]

As far as Im aware most of those players are around 26 vpip, not sure on Peter_Rus

[mperich]

well probably 26-28 yes. But i consider that in the 30/20 general group as opposed to the tag group.

-Mike