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Old 01-13-2005, 12:50 AM
Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) is offline
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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB
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Old 01-13-2005, 01:02 AM
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

i think you could bet the turn, it might pick up the pot, and getting c/r isn't terrible cuz of your flush draw...
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Old 01-13-2005, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

id prolly bet the turn
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Old 01-13-2005, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

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i think you could bet the turn, it might pick up the pot, and getting c/r isn't terrible cuz of your flush draw...

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Getting check-raised when you're a 3:1 dog to catch your flush isn't "that bad?"

I would raise the river, though.
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Old 01-13-2005, 05:12 AM
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

Value bet turn. If he calls and bets into you on the river, it's a call. If he checks, it's a bet.

If it was a CR on the turn then call, call.

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Old 01-13-2005, 06:22 AM
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

Getting check-raised with outs is DEVASTATING and cripples your odds.
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Old 01-13-2005, 12:55 PM
Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) is offline
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

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Value bet turn. If he calls and bets into you on the river, it's a call. If he checks, it's a bet.

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This is not a value bet on the turn unless I get 4 callers, or my Q-high is miraculously the best hand and someone calls with a worse hand.

A river raise is a thought but I don't know if it's +EV.
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Old 01-13-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

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A river raise is a thought but I don't know if it's +EV.

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What is Villain holding that could make it -EV? I think it's an easy raise.
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Old 01-13-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

I'm thinking that an ace who failed to check-raise the flop would bet the turn with double flush-draws out there. In other words I would semi-bluff-bet the turn unless I knew the oppostion is capable of check-raising after the previous round was checked-through which won't be to often. A turn bet may set up a chance to bluff the river if the pot gets shorthanded. If someone has an ace or a full-house I will take of my hat off and salute them. Of course clever hand-readers may try a check-raise-resteal but they don't grow on trees.
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Old 01-13-2005, 01:26 PM
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Default Re: strange, but standard...right?

When the turn checks to me again, I'm not thinking I have the best hand...but I am thinking I have 15 outs along with a hand that has just a tiny little bit of showdown value if I bet the turn.

The way it was played I'm raising the river.
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