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Hand vrs CrimeZ
Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. Turn: (6 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. River: (9 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero folds, BB calls. Final Pot: 14 BB Crime is 29/19/2.5/33 over 2504. Krishan |
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Re: Hand vrs CrimeZ
Nice discipline there...I always want to show down good hands but it's good to see examples of TPTK getting folded for one bet on the river.
JJ and AJ seem most likely. KcQc seem less likely as I think he would have raised earlier with it. TT and 99 - maybe he was trying to keep folks in, but doubtful with the flush draw there. |
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Re: Hand vrs CrimeZ
The fold itself is good. The only thing I don't like about this is that if I'm going to be at the table for a while afterwards I always feel really insecure bet / folding into aggressive / smart players.
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Re: Hand vrs CrimeZ
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The fold itself is good. The only thing I don't like about this is that if I'm going to be at the table for a while afterwards I always feel really insecure bet / folding into aggressive / smart players. [/ QUOTE ] sigh. i hate this metagame crap. maybe its because i dont get it, but maybe its because it doesnt exist online at 10/20. is he going to know you had AK? no. everyone will assuming you fired 3 times with KK or on a bluff. if you cap the flop and turn and give up on the river, then maybe itll look bad. but this in isolation doesnt look bad |
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Re: Hand vrs CrimeZ
You better know your opponent incredibly well if you're making these folds. This is entirely read-dependent. Against an unknown, or even a semi-known, datamined TAG, you're calling the raise and being shown a winner the majority of the time. Thats just life.
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Against an unknown, or even a semi-known, datamined TAG, you're calling the raise and being shown a winner the majority of the time. [/ QUOTE ] This is pretty much incorrect in my opinion. Did you miss the fact that the pot is protected? Krishan |
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Re: Hand vrs CrimeZ
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[ QUOTE ] Against an unknown, or even a semi-known, datamined TAG, you're calling the raise and being shown a winner the majority of the time. [/ QUOTE ] This is pretty much incorrect in my opinion. Did you miss the fact that the pot is protected? [/ QUOTE ] read it again |
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Re: Hand vrs CrimeZ
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Against an unknown, or even a semi-known, datamined TAG, you're calling the raise and being shown a winner the majority of the time. [/ QUOTE ] This is pretty much incorrect in my opinion. Did you miss the fact that the pot is protected? [/ QUOTE ] read it again [/ QUOTE ] I'm an idiot. Krishan |
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the pot is protected [/ QUOTE ] At what point do you decide to call the raise despite the fact that it is a protected pot? Its not inconceivable to me that AK could get played this way, and certainly there are some players at 10/20 who will checkraise the river on a worse ace or less. Would you make this fold against an unknown? Would you make it against a certifiable assclown? |
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Re: Hand vrs CrimeZ
Definitely a good fold.
No reasonable player is making this protected pot river raise with a worse hand. I guess you're thinking that he knows you're good and knows you could lay down a hand like AK. The thing is there aren't very many 10/20 TAGS who actually fold this in this spot. Most 10/20 TAGS suck and are bad hand readers. Additionally, he has to expect to either be ahead of BB or make him fold a better hand. BB never in a million years folds an ace or better. The only worse aces you are ahead of are A2, A3, A5-8. A lot of TAGs don't raise these UTG. So he'd have to be making a move with like JQ, KJ, KT, or something like that. |
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