Commerce 20-40

stankybank · #1 06-10-2005, 12:24 AM

Full table. UTG raises to 100. I'm in MP w/ QQ and make it 400 straight. UTG has been raising like this couple times and folding flops that contain Aces and Kings so I put him on some smallish pocket or suited connector. Guy to my left who is wearing a suit and seems like he's been playing poker for a long time calls behind me. He is a true LAG player. Folded around to original raiser who calls.

3 to flop for ~1260 pot. UTG has arounf 2.5K. I got 10K. LAG got me covered. Probably sitting w/ 15K or so. He just won a big pot when he rivered a straight against two pair.

Flop is 973r. UTG checks, I bet 1000. LAG raises to 2500. UTG folds.

What's my plan?

deadmoney98 · #2 06-10-2005, 01:03 AM

Simple, push or fold. A call essentially forces you to try to get the hand to showdown as cheaply as possible while out of position. If your read is correct and he is a LAG, a re-raise would seem to be in order.

riverboatking · #3 06-10-2005, 01:08 AM

is he lag preflop or postflop? what kinds of hands has he shown down?

usually in this case you'll see AA as most players won't smooth call w/KK in this spot (since the action probably won't be heads up, as the third player will now be getting good odds for an overcall preflop).

this is a time where a read is critical and you probably won't get very much helpful insight from posting the hand other then it comes down to knowing your opponent.

diddle · #4 06-10-2005, 01:10 AM

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cry.

I fold here barring a read.

fsuplayer · #5 06-10-2005, 01:24 AM

i agree with both of the posts directly above mine.

esp. the crying part.

mythrilfox · #6 06-10-2005, 01:26 AM

If he's bluffing, don't we want him to continue bluffing?

Does villain know you are likely to lay down here?

Do you think it's possible villain's plan for this hand was to call preflop and raise any (or most) flops?

Jeffage · #7 06-10-2005, 08:45 AM

If you just call that flop, you are going to be faced with a LARGE turn bet almost everytime. What do you do when the turn rags, you check and he bets 5 grand? It's either all going in on the flop b/c you think you're ahead or the hand must be discarded.

Jeff

Jester999 · #8 06-10-2005, 11:42 AM

As usual, I'm just asking questions in this forum...

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UTG has been raising like this couple times and folding flops that contain Aces and Kings so I put him on some smallish pocket or suited connector. Guy to my left who is wearing a suit and seems like he's been playing poker for a long time calls behind me.

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If you're descriptions are accurate, wouldn't it make sense that the LAG behind you is also aware of UTGs tendencies? If you guys were heads up wouldn't he seem more likely to be making a move on you here? It seems as if UTG almost provides cover and might make the decision a bit clearer. True?

ShawnHoo · #9 06-10-2005, 11:54 AM

Assuming that Suit Guy has AA, why would he raise us here as opposed to waiting for the turn?

(I don't play anything near this high -- just trying to learn.)

MarkL444 · #10 06-10-2005, 11:58 AM

stupid question:

would any of you guys just check to the lag here? i of course dont know how aggressive he is but if he bets here you could save a lot when UTG is c/r'ing. plus it seems to me that when you bet here you pretty much have to take it down right here or else youre put in a bind.