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#21
10-18-2005, 05:02 PM
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Re: Screw \"Not Folding\" STOP \"Not Raising\"
Wow, I'm definately with Gabe here. It would be chip spewing madness to raise the turn here. Are we raising for value or as a bluff? I don't get it. Sure, its possible everyone has a draw, but not likely, and you are still left with btwn 0-15 outs.
As for the flop, Pot Building 101 states call a raiser to your immediate right in a multi-way pot on the flop and then reraise if given that chance. A river bet wouldn't be terrible, but I'm not a big advocate of that either. Not on this board with this action. PF this is a fold for me. Playable for a raise from CO though. 
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#22
10-18-2005, 05:22 PM
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Re: Screw \"Not Folding\" STOP \"Not Raising\"
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Don't forget the chance that I'm reverse dominated. Anyone with K4/K5/K6 has me spewing chips if K hits. [/ QUOTE ] would THOSE people be there if you raised pf??? thats another thing thats bad about not raising pf...you let hands that you have to adjust for reverse domination in. Barron
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#23
10-18-2005, 05:24 PM
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Re: Screw \"Not Folding\" STOP \"Not Raising\"
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Wow, I'm definately with Gabe here. It would be chip spewing madness to raise the turn here. Are we raising for value or as a bluff? I don't get it. Sure, its possible everyone has a draw, but not likely, and you are still left with btwn 0-15 outs. As for the flop, Pot Building 101 states call a raiser to your immediate right in a multi-way pot on the flop and then reraise if given that chance. A river bet wouldn't be terrible, but I'm not a big advocate of that either. Not on this board with this action. PF this is a fold for me. Playable for a raise from CO though. [/ QUOTE ] raising the turn has many benefits already discussed. do you follow formulas for "pot building 101" when there are other, more pressing (ev wise) considerations here??? as for PF i agree that you dont normally play K9s from farther away than the hijack. but IF you DO choose to play it, limping is bad. Barron
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#24
10-18-2005, 05:33 PM
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Re: Screw \"Not Folding\" STOP \"Not Raising\"
another good reason to raise pf. Can't disagree. I guess the adjustment to spewing with Kxs to limp rather than raise is wrong. I should tighten up but keep it fold/raise pf as high card/folding the blinds is key. obvious really.
edit: results soon
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#25
10-18-2005, 05:35 PM
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Re: Screw \"Not Folding\" STOP \"Not Raising\"
I've never been a huge fan of "cleaning up my outs", but will occasionally do so on the flop. On the turn, you're talking about throwing in an extra BB with a very good chance of being 3bet, all to keep an ace from hitting 1 of 2 outs? (sure you said A6 may still be in here with 5 outs) It just seems like chip spewing to me.
As for the flop, I am more intereted in building a large multi-way pot in which I have up to 15 outs, than I am in kicking out QJ or whatever. I suppose there is some difference as you can kick out 8s and 2s and a whole lot of other hands. I don't know, I can see your argument here. You're a more experienced player than I, and a more profitable one from what I see in this forum. I'll give this idea more thought. I still think raising the turn is wishful thinking. Agreed that IF you are going to play this hand here, it should be raised PF.
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#27
10-18-2005, 05:43 PM
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Re: reminder
SB takes it down with 65. CO turns over A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#28
10-19-2005, 01:06 AM
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Re: reminder
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so what do we think they had? did I lose badly? did I win? [/ QUOTE ] so?
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#29
10-19-2005, 03:56 AM
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minimal results
SB shows A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I show K9 top pair. CO mucks..... MHIG. no way of knowing on Pacific what he had i reckon 2 clubs like JT or something, or a badly slow-played pocket pair. I was shocked to see the chips coming my direction after the flop action, though.
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