30/60 giving up early

[DeeJ]

So I'm playing my 8th ever 30/60 hand. It's at Pacific (where else, I ask) where the 9 players are at 55% seeing the flop. The reason for this is Mr Loose who sits in LMP for this hand. SB has just sat down and I seem to recognise his name which means he's probably an OK player.

I get T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG+1.

UTG folds, I raise, 2 folds, Mr Loose cold calls, 2 folds, SB calls 1.5, BB folds.

3 to the flop.

Flop is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7SB)

SB thinks for 3 or 4 seconds and bets. I raise, Mr Loose 3-bets, SB pauses for a second and caps, I fold.

yes?

[daryn]

no. not at all actually.

[flawless_victory]

hell no.

[Paluka]

This is a pretty wacky fold.

[DeeJ]

OK, both responses so far are negative without any stated reason.

Here's my thought process; preflop is obvious.

Flop, SB likely only thinks for 4 seconds if he has a difficult decision. Sure, he could have spilt coffee on his shirt or be 5-tabling SNG's or whatever, but my read was that he had to think something through eg a strong hand given he'd semi-cold called, but top pair (K9 or A9) would have been an easy decision, or open-ended straight draw. If he had overcards it's also an easy decision.

So I was wary of a very strong hand, 2pair set or straight. Raising is the clear answer for value and to find out where I am. Surprisingly Mr Loose raises, then SB caps.

My very strong read was that he could clearly beat top pair, and likely can beat an overpair, so I fold because I have a thin or no draw and am likely already behind.

[YoureToast]

I run into these situations all the time and I call all the time and I lose a lot of money all the time. Either an overcard will hit on the turn or river and I lose that way, someone (the SB in this case) has a set already, or I hit my T and it give MrLoose a straight. Nevertheless, I think you can't fold this. Your "timing" read is crazy though.

[daryn]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
Your "timing" read is crazy though.


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i agree 100%

[1800GAMBLER]

I like it, a bit and it's def not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Medium chance of being ahead, awful reverse implied odds, expensive showdown cost, in a more passive game than most. On the other hand, leading vs pairs + gutshots that usually play like this.

Your timing tells are silly though.

[DeeJ]

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Your timing tells are silly though.

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You're very kind [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I'm quite keen on timing tells - giving them rather than taking notice of them more usually. But when people take forever on a AA3 flop, I get suspicious. As noted, this scenario is pretty nasty for TT and the timing tell (which I only give some modest percentage of validity to) turned an uncomfortable call into a fold.

[scott8]

Please keep using timing tells at 30/60.