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Old 09-20-2005, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: Guessing this is horrible because I am bad. 109


Anyway the villian should push somewhere around 75-78% of the time and the hero shuold call about 35-36% of the time.

villian push hands - Push hands: 22+,A2+,K2+,Q3o+,Q2s+,J6o+,J2s+,T6o+,T2s+,96o+,92s +,85o+,82s+,75o+,73s+,65o,62s+,54o,52s+,42s+ (75%)

hero call hands - 22+,A2+,K5o+,K2s+,Q9o+,Q8s+,JTo,J9s+ (36%)

The above numbers are not precise but should be very close.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:16 AM
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Im quite sure you are doing it incorrectly, that is way too tight. Ill do it myself [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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God damn it. Am I retarded? Here is what I did:

1. I changed the mode to "raise".
2. I manually moved the 53% call range to the BB.
3. I hit "compute all" and it gave me the push hands I posted.

What am I doing wrong?
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:16 AM
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Default Re: Guessing this is horrible because I am bad. 109

Screw it, I never make bad beat posts.

***** Hand History for Game 2743075759 *****

Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: JJD925 ( $1626 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $2962 )
Seat 6: Scootage ( $1487 )
Seat 7: Nero_Black ( $2437 )
Seat 10: mrwyn ( $1488 )
Trny:15899208 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ac 9h ]
Scootage folds.
Nero_Black folds.
mrwyn folds.
>You have options at Table 11247 Table!.
JJD925 is all-In [1426]
jjd, you know i wouldnt do that
Hero calls [1226].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Ks, 3h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
me neither
JJD925 shows [ 9c, Js ] a pair of jacks.
Hero shows [ Ac, 9h ] high card ace.
JJD925 wins 3252 chips from the main pot with a pair of jacks.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:19 AM
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Default Re: Guessing this is horrible because I am bad. 109

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Im quite sure you are doing it incorrectly, that is way too tight. Ill do it myself [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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God damn it. Am I retarded? Here is what I did:

1. I changed the mode to "raise".
2. I manually moved the 53% call range to the BB.
3. I hit "compute all" and it gave me the push hands I posted.

What am I doing wrong?

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No you have to keep doing it over and over. Once you realize what the SB's push numbers are you then have to caluclate it again for the BB. For example if the SB should push only 38% of the time, I suspect the BB will now call only 15-20% of the time. If the SB knew the BB was that tight, they would of course push 100% of the time

You have to find the range where even if both players knew exactly what hands that their opponent would push/call with, neither player would adjust their play in response to this knowledge.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:25 AM
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Default Re: Guessing this is horrible because I am bad. 109

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You have to find the range where even if both players knew exactly what hands that their opponent would push/call with, neither player would adjust their play in response to this knowledge.

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Utter horseshit voodoo! I think I'd rather just be a "feel" player from now on.

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Thanks for the explaination. I need to voluntarily go unconscious now. Zzzzzzzzz....
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:28 AM
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Default Re: Guessing this is horrible because I am bad. 109

Agreed on all counts.

Wow.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:32 AM
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22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,98s

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That doesn't seem like way too tight a range for an average opponent.

I know the assumption is no read, but perhaps if he were pushing as much as he should have been there would have been a read that he were aggressive.

I'm not saying it's not a call against an average 109'er, but I think it's close and with any impression that the villian has been praying for 3rd, it is a fold.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:38 AM
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22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,98s

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That doesn't seem like way too tight a range for an average opponent.

I know the assumption is no read, but perhaps if he were pushing as much as he should have been there would have been a read that he were aggressive.

I'm not saying it's not a call against an average 109'er, but I think it's close and with any impression that the villian has been praying for 3rd, it is a fold.

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It's one of those close decisions that I still think is a clear call, if that makes any sense.

I don't want to be abused, meanwhile its not that likely my opponent is signifigantly tighter than the above. Okay I admit that plenty of players are, but there are also plenty of players who will push with any 2, or push with a wider range than this. In any case I prefer to error on the caution of following theory, which states that against someone who plays well, A5o is a call.

If they play poorly I gain EV from them everytime they fold to me anyway. However if I fold against someone who is playing correctly, Im losing huge amounts of EV all over the place.

Probably the above makes no sense, but I like to be careful before assuming my opponents are playing incorrectly in this spot. It gives strong players the chance to crush you.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: Guessing this is horrible because I am bad. 109

$101 is close to $100, but it is clearly more.
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