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Old 12-29-2005, 01:23 PM
tolbiny tolbiny is offline
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Default Re: The 3rd Shot at 10/20 is a charm... but not

10/20 seems to be the biggest/hardest jump in terms of game difficulty that i have seen. I think the best way to do it is to concerntrate more on seat selection. At 5/10 if there are 2 bad players at a table its fine, but at 10/20 if there is a 30/20 guy (they are everywhere at this limit it seems) to their left iso raising them you will have a hard time getting into pots (notto mention a tricky aggressive player attacking your blinds is tough). Make sure you have a good seat at the table, and only play 2 tables at first. Once you get comfortable at a limit you will wonder why it was so hard all the other times.
Also obey Tolbiny's 2nd rule of poker
Always run good at hight limits.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:31 PM
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I believe that it takes a rare person to loose even 1/4 that much in a shot and still be playing their best.

I only ever take 100bb "shots" and move back down. The smaller shots are easier to handle when you blow the money.

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I think every time he takes a shot and backs down, his confidence degrades that much more. Granted 100BB drop is rough and non-standard, but it does happen.

The thing that is bothersome is that he's lost $7,367.85 overall at 10/20 in 0/3 attempts per his first post. So nix 2K from this last session and he's down 5,400ish in the other two, which is more than 100BB per loss average on each shot.

I think we need more info on his 5/10 experiences and number of hands played. Regardless of playing his best or not, the obvious is that he is getting crushed at 10/20 6m, so chances are his play is not near optimal despite whatever his 5/10 results are. Granted you can drop 300-400BB at 6m over a stretch, but 300-400BB in 3 shots seems extremely excessive.

It may be possible he isn't ready for the 10/20 6m or is just running ungodly bad. If he's posting a solid winrate at 5/10 6m over many hands then I might be convinced he's just running bad. But if he's a marginal winner, it could very well be that he's not ready for the 10/20 yet.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:52 PM
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My screen name is clavinerboy. Any input on hands would be greatly appreciated [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:00 PM
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krishan,

I have 21,000 at 5/10 6max, and also 3000 hands at 1/2 6max and 7000 at 3/6 6max.

My numbers all around are all generally the same as well.
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:02 PM
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Thanks for all the replies guys, it really helps to know that you guys care and are willing to help me become a better player.

I'll be on a ski trip for the next few days, so I probably won't post any replies, but I look forward to reading all teh posts when I come back and going back at the grind!
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:34 PM
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krishan,

I have 21,000 at 5/10 6max, and also 3000 hands at 1/2 6max and 7000 at 3/6 6max.

My numbers all around are all generally the same as well.

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I don't think this is a sufficient number of hands to be able to assess your winrate or ability at these games. Do you think the move up may have been premature? Not saying it was, just wondering if you think you need some more time to ascertain your true winrate and ability over a longer period and number of hands. Do you have an extended amount of live game experience?
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:34 PM
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krishan,

I have 21,000 at 5/10 6max, and also 3000 hands at 1/2 6max and 7000 at 3/6 6max.

My numbers all around are all generally the same as well.

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Well I played about 170,000 hands of 5/10 before moving up to 10/20. And I still think there were more things I could learn at 5/10 even when I left. So one piece of advice would be to play another 150,000 hands and then you'll be ready. Now I don't actually recommend this. But you should know that not everyone moves up quickly. One benifit is I had a 2K+ bet roll when I moved up.

Secondly, you probably don't have quite as intimate an understanding of variance as more experienced players. 20K hands is basically a microscopic fleck of sand on a microscope in the sahara (I'm exaggerating for effect here). I don't think it's possible to know if you are even a winner at 5/10 much less if you are ready to move to 10/20.

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Old 12-29-2005, 02:46 PM
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Yes, I agree that I have not played very many hands. I also do not have any live experience, except the occasional home games with friends, but all they want to play is No Limit.
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:48 PM
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Again, you are right that I have played a very small number of hands. I should probably play more before moving up, as there are probably quite a few things I could/should master before moving up, and to be sure I am a winner.
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:50 PM
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Again, you are right that I have played a very small number of hands. I should probably play more before moving up, as there are probably quite a few things I could/should master before moving up, and to be sure I am a winner.

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I would agree, this is clear now given all the info. Spend some time at 5/10 and keep in mind there is no rush, poker isn't going anywhere.
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