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Old 12-22-2005, 04:59 PM
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Default QQ in MP, bad turn

Unknown opponent again, new at the table. What do you do on the turn against various opponents?

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Preflop:Hero is MP2 with Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG limps, Hero raises, blinds fold, UTG calls

Flop5 sb) K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls

Turn4.25 BB) A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG checks, Hero?
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: QQ in MP, bad turn

I would bet here. I wouldn't be able to put him on big cards becasue he limped/called (maybe suited low connectors or low pair?). If you get raised, i would call and then check/call the river to be safe.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: QQ in MP, bad turn

I bet/fold the turn, planning to check behind on the river no matter what falls.

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Old 12-22-2005, 05:52 PM
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I bet/fold the turn, planning to check behind on the river no matter what falls.

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I'd be tempted to bet an offsuit J.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:01 PM
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Default Re: QQ in MP, bad turn

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I bet/fold the turn, planning to check behind on the river no matter what falls.

-Jaran

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I'd be tempted to bet an offsuit J.

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I thought about it, but if an offsuit J falls, I bet and get c/r, I have to call, and I don't think I win against a river c/r here too often. But I'm open to being convinced otherwise.

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Old 12-22-2005, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: QQ in MP, bad turn

If you could define a few various opponents that would help a little. But I'm bet/folding to a c/r vs. most anyone on the turn. I'm also folding to a river donk unless it's a non heart J. I don't see a need to bet the river on any card except the J.

Few villains are sophisticated enough to slowplay a turn flush -> c/r the river, so I think a bet is fine if you hit that nonheart J.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: QQ in MP, bad turn

i don't think we're folding a better hand with a turn bet, and i'd like to hope for a J on the river seeing as he might be donking a K.

i check behind because i don't see much value in betting.
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Old 12-23-2005, 03:02 AM
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I think we very often fold a weak K here, since we're representing both a flush and an A. It's definately a possibility.
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:44 PM
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Default Re: QQ in MP, bad turn

Bump because this is an interesting turn decision IMO.
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Old 12-24-2005, 07:11 PM
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i'm weak and I check the turn. I see us getting c/r a lot. I guess there's merit to bet/fold then.
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