Speaking of defending your BB 3 handed with suited trash.

Borodog · #1 10-25-2005, 08:52 PM

Given the earlier threads on this topic, this hand came up.

UTG seems weak-tight, but may just be missing flops. He's raised a couple of times and released on the turn or river for a single bet. MP3 is a 53-5.5-2.6 who has been very aggro with any part of the board.

Good spot to defend with suited junk, or -EV?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 4 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks.

River: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets

crazygoose · #2 10-25-2005, 08:58 PM

I think you have ot ask yourself what the hell anyone is going ot call you with that you beat. OK maybe UTG's AK. This is a retarded value bet IMO. MP3 or UTG could have mid or small PPs as well.

toss · #3 10-25-2005, 09:07 PM

PF is -EV at least for me.

Flop call is fine.

I think river is good too. MP3 would have probably made more noise if he had a pair.

Borodog · #4 10-25-2005, 09:11 PM

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I think you have ot ask yourself what the hell anyone is going ot call you with that you beat. OK maybe UTG's AK. This is a retarded value bet IMO. MP3 or UTG could have mid or small PPs as well.

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Agreed. I wanted to check/call as soon as I clicked bet. Sigh.

Borodog · #5 10-25-2005, 09:12 PM

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PF is -EV at least for me.

Flop call is fine.

I think river is good too. MP3 would have probably made more noise if he had a pair.

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Yes, but the point is will he call if I'm not beat? I think I should have checked to induce a bluff from him.

toss · #6 10-25-2005, 09:16 PM

It less likely that Preflop raiser will call with Ace high since you're betting into two people at the end. The loose aggro on the other will probably call with A or K high a good amount. Well I guess that actually depends on his WTSD rate. The other options are check calling or check folding. I think betting is the best as the Preflop raiser probably won't bet A hi 3 way.

toss · #7 10-25-2005, 09:17 PM

It less likely that Preflop raiser will call with Ace high since you're betting into two people at the end. The loose aggro on the other will probably call with A or K high a good amount. Well I guess that actually depends on his WTSD rate. The other options are check calling or check folding. I think the reason I like betting is because I can't see myself calling if the Prelop raiser bets and the other villain calls.

Piiop · #8 10-25-2005, 09:27 PM

I'd fold preflop - 1/2 blinds, 4-high, UTG raise, not working for me.

I'd bet the flop and not the river.

pokerjunky · #9 10-25-2005, 09:40 PM

I don't see how the river isn't a check fold given the texture of the board and the fact that it's still 3-handed.

Borodog · #10 10-25-2005, 09:49 PM

In the other thread, I was a pretty vociferous advocate of folding suited junk in these spots. But since this is $2-$4 I'm experimenting. The problem as I see it is, individual hands in marginal situations like this don't really tell me much. Win the hand? Well, fish get lucky, don't they?

I'm not sure anything less than consistently playing these kind of hands for many, many thousands of hands is going to tell me anything.

More fun with suited trash:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
5 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO folds.

River: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB