Good bluff or just stupid?

[Ben Therre]

I was criticized for making this move too early in a MTT in another post where someone asked for hand historys. I thought it was brilliant and from my experience and other post that these are the kind of moves that need to be made to do well in MTT's. I had just completed this hand when I read the post requesting hand historys, so I thought it would be a good one to send. If this is poor judgement please let me know why instead of just being critical. I be the fumducker. Thanks

Party 30+3 800+ players first hand

Game No : 2494068263
***** Hand History for Game 2494068263 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:14629451 Level:1 Blinds (10/15) - Sunday, August 07, 15:10:24 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table(418528) Table #69 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jeremyi111 ( $1000 )
Seat 2: fumducker1 ( $1000 )
Seat 3: chefadamo ( $1000 )
Seat 4: tcksr ( $1000 )
Seat 5: sadielady222 ( $1000 )
Seat 6: sethty ( $1000 )
Seat 7: ManneK ( $1000 )
Seat 8: manton11 ( $1000 )
Seat 9: jsyzf ( $1000 )
Seat 10: Phil___ ( $1000 )
Trny:14629451 Level:1
Blinds (10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fumducker1 [ 8s 3d ]
chefadamo folds.
tcksr folds.
sadielady222 raises [30].
sethty folds.
ManneK folds.
manton11 folds.
jsyzf folds.
Phil___ calls [30].
jeremyi111 calls [20].
fumducker1 calls [15].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, Tc, Jc ]
jeremyi111 checks.
fumducker1 checks.
sadielady222 checks.
Phil___ checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
jeremyi111 bets [15].
fumducker1 calls [15].
sadielady222 raises [225].
Phil___ folds.
jeremyi111 folds.
fumducker1 is all-In [955]
sadielady222 folds.
fumducker1 does not show cards.
fumducker1 wins 1330 chips

[illegit]

Stupid with a capital 'S'.

[Ben Therre]

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If this is poor judgement please let me know why instead of just being critical.

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Stupid with a capital 'S'

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Ok genius, care to explain

[illegit]

What needs explaining? You risked your tournament on the 1st hand with 8-high + gut shot facing strength for a small pot when blinds are still small. Risk = everything, reward = slightly better chip position but in round 1 of blinds the difference between having 1000 and 1300 to work with is practically negligible. There's absolutely no justification for such a terrible play. What possible reasoning could there possibly be? Good bluff? You clicked a button with no reads and prayed no one had anything.

[billyjex]

This play is horrible. I thought you posted it as a joke in the other thread.

This is a Party 30+3. One player is showing strength on the turn, and by betting big is more than likely going to feel committed. If the player has a 7, an overpair or 98 you just bluffed your whole stack to win 300 chips. Most of the time a J isn't folding, hell some players can't even fold a flush draw on a paired board (and just a draw has you crushed if it's higher than 8-high.)

Making crazy bluffs is not the way to win a medium size buy in Party tournament. HOw I do well in these tournaments is getting value out of my good hands -- people just don't fold enough.

[Tailgunner]

I'm reading sadielady222 with top pair or overcards, possibly a flush draw, trying to steal the pot on the turn after sensing weakness on the flop. As it's the first hand she's not gonna have any reads and will probably lean toward respecting your raise and protecting her stack... I like the play. (I'd have probably shown the hand and tried to get the table a little off the beam too... such an early lead leaves lots of room to hold tight or show down a couple more bad hands to reinforce your image.)

[locutus2002]

Certainly not brilliant.

Hero risks ~T950 to win ~t450 or ~2:1 so villain has to fold 2:1 to make this work for hero since he has no outs.

Will villain fold 2:1? Unclear, hero has no read as this is the 1st hand of the tournament.
Does hero have a good idea of what sort of hand villain is holding here? No.

[locutus2002]

Missed the gutshot draw.

Doesn't change anything. Still unclear and a bad play because no read or expectation for villain's behaviour.

[Ben Therre]

No dought in my mind Sadielady was bluffing. I saw the opportunity to steal back and I did. As for showing the cards....not to sure about that.

[illegit]

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No dought in my mind Sadielady was bluffing. I saw the opportunity to steal back and I did. As for showing the cards....not to sure about that.

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LOL. On the first hand you've ever played against her in your life you're certain she's bluffing. LOL. Ok. And how certain were you the min-bettor was bluffing?

I'm still chuckling over the statement in the OP about 'moves like this have to be made to won tournaments' or whatever. Yes. Moving in on the first hand into a multi-way field on a paired baord with a gut shot is exactly what separates long term tournament winners from losers.