Back at the $109s!!!!

[kyro]

Two consecutive hands that I had no idea how to go about. No reads.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

MP1 (t1275)
Hero (t975)
MP3 (t1990)
CO (t960)
Button (t915)
SB (t850)
BB (t1200)
UTG (t180)
UTG+1 (t715)
UTG+2 (t940)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t150, SB calls t135, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: (t510) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ???




Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 (t1275)
Hero (t825)
MP2 (t1990)
MP3 (t960)
CO (t1725)
Button (t250)
SB (t1170)
BB (t150)
UTG (t715)
UTG+1 (t940)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t60</font>, UTG+2 calls t60, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t190, UTG+2 calls t190.

Flop: (t795) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets t350</font>, Hero ???

[JayKon]

My answers depend on my read of the players, however:

Hand #1: bet pot. I need to know where I am.

Hand #2: fold. Looks a lot like TPTK.

How had these guys been playing? How agressive were they? what have they shown?

These are questions you should have been asking at the $20 level - way before sitting in a $100 SnG.

[kyro]

I took a few notes on a few players. But when you 4table and have ADD you can't get pinpoint reads on a multitude of players. It was playing like a typical $109 from what I remember.

[bkbluedevil]

I think betting the pot in hand one is awful. I like checking. If you bet you will only get action from hands taht are ahead (likely) so check and see what developes on the turn. If you are gonig to bet betting 1/2 the pot accomplishes the same as betting the full pot since there are zero draws out. BTW I love the condescending reply from the other poster. Come on man lighten up.

[Moonsugar]

1 check
2 fold

[kyro]

I checked the first hand.

[ QUOTE ]
Two consecutive hands that I had no idea how to go about. No reads.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

MP1 (t1275)
Hero (t975)
MP3 (t1990)
CO (t960)
Button (t915)
SB (t850)
BB (t1200)
UTG (t180)
UTG+1 (t715)
UTG+2 (t940)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t150, SB calls t135, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: (t510) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red"> Button bets t150</font>, SB calls t150, Hero???






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[augie00]

Hand 1: check/fold

Hand 2: fold

[bkbluedevil]

That's tough. I fold because of the other guy already calling. If you are ahead here I'd expect to win a pot the size it is now. If you are behind I'd explect a large river bet. So fold, but I'd be curious what Adanthar and others would do.

[jcm4ccc]

[ QUOTE ]
My answers depend on my read of the players, however:

Hand #1: bet pot. I need to know where I am.

Hand #2: fold. Looks a lot like TPTK.



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Hand #1: Betting the pot is not a terrible idea (not a great idea, either), but the reasoning is awful. To "know where you are" is ridiculous. The pot is 510. You have about 700-800 chips. A pot-sized bet is a pot committed bet. You're not going to find out "where you are". You will already be there, with all your chips.

You need to decide if you are going to fold this hand, or play this hand to the end. If you decide to play this, I would recommend check/calling to the river. The reason is that the person who is ahead on the flop will almost certainly be ahead on the river. In other words, you don't need to bet this to protect against somebody outdrawing you on the turn or river. The person who is ahead on the flop is the person who is going to win this pot. Check/calling may allow you to save some chips for the miracle comeback if you are not that person.

Hand #2 I would fold.

[suited_ace]

Hand #1: Check behind.

Hand #2: Fold.