No odds for the call, but can I still make it?

[LinusKS]

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Let's say, for instance, you bet 450 UTG instead of 350 and he raises to 1050. Now there's 1600 in the pot and you have to call 600 more.
600 for a pot of 2300 is close to 4-1 odds on a 5-1 shot. Still bad?

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In that case it would look like this:

FOLD-------------CALL & WIN------CALL & LOSE
Chips/Equity-------------------------------
2150/0.2625-----3800/0.3763-----1550/0.2107
1650/0.2200-----0/0-------------2250/0.2704
2100/0.2588-----2100/0.3118-----2100/0.2594
2100/0.2588-----2100/0.3118-----2100/0.2594

You're still not getting odds to call, since you're risking 0.05 to get 0.11, a little better than 2-1, on 1-4 odds.

The Villain, on the other hand, is risking 0.22 if you call - his whole stack - and getting only 0.05 if he wins.

Since he'll lose one out of five times, it's in his interest that you fold, as well as yours.

If he could, it'd be a good idea to show his overpair, so that you didn't accidently make a mistake that would cost you both money.

[citanul]

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Final four with you in the lead you should be staying out of as many pots as possible.

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Wow. You must stink at SNGS.

citanul

[citanul]

The other stacks are very important.

Also the total starting chips are important.

I guess that knowing the first would yield the second result.

We can't make assumptions about "commanding chip lead" or whatever if winning this hand is going to make you 3600 to 2200 to 2200 (which is about the only stacks we could have with a 8k chips tournament, which makes this very unrealistic. make up numbers that work).

my general opinion is that if you were going to be willing to go to the felt with 33, you shouldn't have made a small raise with it. since you did, i'd fold. why coin flip out at BEST or walk into a domination for a large chunk of stack?

this is just bad poker.

citanul