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08-05-2005, 05:24 PM
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Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
I accidentally played limit hold'em in Vegas. It was early morning and five-handed.
A drunk folds and I raise from the CO with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. A Swede folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, and I call. The nerdy SB has a shiny WSOP bracelet on his wrist and obvious self-esteem issues. He and the drunk have been doing the classic nerd vs. jock [censored]-talking, and WSOP is upset. He has been 3-betting liberally preflop in and out of position. Earlier he checkraised me and folded to a 3-bet on a paired flop heads-up. There is a fair amount of distrust in the game but no one except the drunk is playing wildly. I have been opening quite a bit and he has seen me play some flush draws fast, but I have not been getting especially out of line. When I sat down I tried to play no-limit, which confused everybody. Flop J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] WSOP bets, I raise (why can't I go all-in?), He 3-bets, I 4-bet and he calls. Turn 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Checkcheck. River 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] He bets and I call. 
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08-05-2005, 05:33 PM
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Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
Don't like it that much.
If you're going to 4 bet, bet the turn. Maybe he'll decide his 7's are no good and muck. Not likely but if he's got overs too you're putting the preasure on. If he check raises you no big deal you have plenty of outs. I also think the river isn't an auto call really. He knows that if you were on busted spades you're not calling, so unless he has something like 76 himself, he's not going to bet. Like AK/q/T etc or something he's almost surely not betting. I just think this way of playing a hand might seem fun and cute but really I don't think it's the optimal way to play it.
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08-05-2005, 05:38 PM
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Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
I don't love the turn check. getting him to fold a 6 outer is well worth the price of getting check raised when behind as you have some equity on money that goes in on the turn. yuo also actually have a decent chance at folding a better hand either right there or with a river bet. The pot is big enough now that losing all bluffing equity not worth saving a bet/getting a free card.
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#6
08-05-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
Hi Stox:
Your answer is incorrect. The correct answer has to do with exactly how often he might be out of line and will then bluff the river after your fourth street check. With some players, their chance of being out of line on the flop is quite high, and then their chance of bluffing the river is also quite high. With this type of opponent, it's clearly correct to check the turn. By the way, many of these real aggressive types, if they held a real hand, will always go for a check raise on fourth street after you raise on the flop. That's part of the reason why your answer is not correct. Their three betting the flop actully means less strebgth, not more. Best wishes, Mason
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#7
08-05-2005, 10:24 PM
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Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
"Their three betting the flop actully means less strength, not more."
well done. but beware because particularly good players hang players who read hands and try and pick off rampant aggression. what we do is we go aggro on all streets with our best hands per feeney's essay from his book for instance. additionally players who fastplay everything and make it very hard to read them are unfortunately fairly commong at higher limits.
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#8
08-06-2005, 04:23 PM
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Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
I know you're busy running the twoplustwo machine (and I thank you for that because your books have made me money) but I'd bet many of us are ready for the next Mason book. Any plans?
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#9
08-06-2005, 07:44 PM
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Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
Hi Love:
There are no plans at this moment for me to do another book. My efforts are being concentrated on bringing out other top notch books by other authors. Best wishes, Mason
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#10
08-06-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
I agree, i overestimated the chance gab could get a better hand to laydown with a turn and river bet. I think that is very very unlikely and not worth getting check raised on the turn plus sacrificing the times you unduce a bluff on the river from a worse hand.
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