What do I do?

ricochet420 · #1 06-07-2005, 05:50 AM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

EDIT: MP2 is pretty passive post flop.

einbert · #2 06-07-2005, 05:55 AM

I would raise preflop, for one thing.

MP2's flop cap could easily be a flush draw, and some (TAG) players at this level might mistakenly bet the turn with that hand.

If he limped in with an overpair, then you have five outs (against JJ,QQ). Only two against KK-AA though. I think you should probably call the turn. The pot is large enough that a call down is probably justifiable.

thesharpie · #3 06-07-2005, 05:59 AM

Raise preflop.

How passive is he postflop, and is he loose preflop?

I don't really like 3 betting this flop, you're probably not folding anyone and you're just bloating the pot with a vulnerable hand. I think I'd cold call planning to raise a safe turn.

therockofgibraltar · #4 06-07-2005, 06:01 AM

Is there any value raising this pf??

I play it the same way. reads would help though, is he aggressive? if he is a typical player he ain't capping with flush draw and I think you don't have enough outs to continue.

Womble · #5 06-07-2005, 06:04 AM

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Is there any value raising this pf??

I play it the same way. reads would help though, is he aggressive? if he is a typical player he ain't capping with flush draw and I think you don't have enough outs to continue.

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Thats exaclty why you raise it PF. People will have limped with worse hands than KTs and so you are doubling their mistake by raising. KTs is not a great hand that will win alot but it stands to win more than 17% which is what it needs to with 5 opponents

einbert · #6 06-07-2005, 06:05 AM

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KTs is not a great hand

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In the CO after three loose limpers I beg to differ.

therockofgibraltar · #7 06-07-2005, 06:09 AM

If we call that turn because we think we have 5 outs, we fold the river UIP right?

einbert · #8 06-07-2005, 06:12 AM

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If we call that turn because we think we have 5 outs, we fold the river UIP right?

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I think that on the river the pot will be big enough to justify a call based on the chance that MP2 is either overplaying a T with a worse kicker, bluffing a missed flush draw, or has the same hand that we do.

therockofgibraltar · #9 06-07-2005, 06:19 AM

but what about those two other players? somebody must have us beat?!

Am I doing the math right here: it's 15.5 to us and if I call those overcallers too it's 17.5-1, so we must win about 5.7%

einbert · #10 06-07-2005, 06:20 AM

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but what about those two other players? somebody must have us beat?!

Am I doing the math right here: it's 15.5 to us and if I call those overcallers too it's 17.5-1, so we must win about 5.7%

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I think we have those players beat the vast, vast majority of the time. In fact their presence points towrrds a calldown in my opinion.