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Old 08-04-2005, 06:32 PM
Go_Blue88 Go_Blue88 is offline
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Default PL 200 tough spot

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Hero ($669.94)
UTG ($64.84)
MP ($257.82)
CO ($157.35)
Button ($241.31)
SB ($108.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $5, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $3, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($21) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, UTG pushes for 59.84, MP folds, Button calls $59.84, Hero??

UTG is very bad and i know that i'm ahead of him. button is an average player; i haven't seen him do anything too crazy. what's your play here?
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: PL 200 tough spot

I fold.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: PL 200 tough spot

Maybe you think with 80-90% accuracy that you're ahead of UTG but you can never know for sure unless he flips his cards. Bad players get lucky. When average button calls you should have no problem tossing your TPGK
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:59 PM
chumsferd chumsferd is offline
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Default Re: PL 200 tough spot

Do you have some PT numbers? on the button particularly? Without that, I'm folding.

An average, which I'm reading to mean not terrible, player cold calls a (admittedly small) raise preflop... then cold calls a bet and a significant raise on the flop... your hand is vulnerable... you are OOP... and the villians stack is still large enough to give you a tough decision if you continue... I don't see how you can do anything but fold the hand.
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Old 08-04-2005, 07:07 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Part of me really likes a push here. But I think the best line is to call and then lead/fold the turn.
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Old 08-04-2005, 07:11 PM
chumsferd chumsferd is offline
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Part of me really likes a push here. But I think the best line is to call and then lead/fold the turn.

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I considered this line, initially. What put me off is how much are you going to lead the turn for? There will be $200 in the pot and the Villian has less than $180 left. I don't think you can make a meaningful lead on the turn and still get away from the hand.
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Old 08-04-2005, 07:26 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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The thing is that no one makes moves in this game. You can lead for $50-75 and fold to a push, IMO.
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Old 08-05-2005, 05:02 PM
Go_Blue88 Go_Blue88 is offline
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i folded.

i think that folding here was a mistake. what hands would an opponent just call with on the button? most likely AJ, KJ, QQ, or a flush draw. these hands could not call a push from me. the opponents would need to ask, "well what am i beating?" and they'd realize that they're calling to split or lose. thus, most people would fold. pushing was the best move.

anyways, button had KJ and UTG had A2o.
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