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Old 12-21-2005, 12:17 PM
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Although it seems kinda weak, I think you should just fold here. I'm not sure what the big stack would cold call here with, but it could be AA/KK. I just think you are going to end up losing a lot of money playing this hand in this spot. I don't think you can just call here, you have to either push to isolate or fold. I doubt the BB has a pair smaller than jacks. His play looks like AA/KK/QQ/AK. So to him, you are either dominated or a small favorite. The BB complicates things even more, because I don't think he is going to continue, unless he has you dominated.

All things considered, it just looks like you could lose a lot of money, but its unlikely you are a big favorite.

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you have 2-1 on your money and the 4th nuts.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:24 PM
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Although it seems kinda weak, I think you should just fold here. I'm not sure what the big stack would cold call here with, but it could be AA/KK. I just think you are going to end up losing a lot of money playing this hand in this spot. I don't think you can just call here, you have to either push to isolate or fold. I doubt the BB has a pair smaller than jacks. His play looks like AA/KK/QQ/AK. So to him, you are either dominated or a small favorite. The BB complicates things even more, because I don't think he is going to continue, unless he has you dominated.

All things considered, it just looks like you could lose a lot of money, but its unlikely you are a big favorite.

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you have 2-1 on your money and the 4th nuts.

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If that's all you had to consider I think its an easy call (assuming BB folded initially). But, I think the number of times BB has AA/KK/QQ and you lose your entire stack, makes it a fold. I don't think the amount of money you make off the all-in villain makes up for the number of times you go broke to BB. If you don't think its at all likely that BB could have AA/KK/QQ, then I say push.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:29 PM
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you think BB is calling w/ QQ?
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:34 PM
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probably not QQ. I actually have no idea what hand to put him on, but it looks like it could easily be AA or maybe KK. If he is a solid player, what hands could he possibly call with in this spot? It does look like a good place to call with AA and try and stack stoxtrader with a check-raise on the flop.
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Old 12-21-2005, 01:06 PM
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RayVon is pretty aggro, so you probably have him beat. It looks to me like the other guy coldcalled with a pair looking to set and bust someone, but I have never seen him before. I'm uncomfortable throwing 150 BB in the middle with Jacks, but it's probably the right move.
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Old 12-21-2005, 01:36 PM
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probably not QQ. I actually have no idea what hand to put him on, but it looks like it could easily be AA or maybe KK. If he is a solid player, The only hands he couldnt possibly call w/ in this spot are AA/KK. It does look like a good place to call with AA and try and stack stoxtrader with a check-raise on the flop.

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Old 12-21-2005, 01:43 PM
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If I was BB here, I'd flat call AA and hope for exactly what happened--shorty pushes over the top, stox calls or isolates (doesn't matter), and then I jam it.
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