a hand I loved then hated then loved

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Wouldn't this be a check/call situation?

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This IS a check call spot. There is no value in the c/r, to my mind. I raised because I was angry at being outplayed.

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I thought it was quite obvious that there was no use in c/ring here. The aim of the question was more to work out why "callmedonnie" suggested c/ring. I am recovering from a bad week last week of about 70k hands and am trying to get out of this ridiculous mindframe. Came to the 2+2 forums to see if I am thinking correctly.

Mat

[brettbrettr]

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Yeah, you were pwned. He saved himself -1 SB's with that "free card".

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Not badly outplayed, but checking the turn was a mistake and he induced it. That's all. If I'd 5 bet the flop, and he'd 6 bet, and then I checked the turn, I think I could have lived with that. But I should have made him pay more.

[private joker]

I played a very similar hand at the live 15/30 this past weekend.

I had KK in EP and the flop was 865 rainbow. I bet, opponent raised, I 3-bet, opponent 4-bet (which was a cap because there was someone else in the hand when the street started, but had since folded). I checked the blank turn, and he checked behind. I checked the river to induce a bluff like Brett did, knowing he would take a stab more often than he'd call with a busted straight draw.

[brettbrettr]

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I played a very similar hand at the live 15/30 this past weekend.

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Did you raise the river and say "My cock could outplay you."?

[callmedonnie]

yea, only value in getting him to call the bet. but, as he is new to table and if the read is right he isn't calling the raise anyway, i might just raise because people hate getting checkraised, especially on the river, and I think it might be good for the game.

[private joker]

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Did you raise the river and say "My cock could outplay you."?

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No, he checked behind and I turned over my winning hand and he flashed a busted OESD.

I wonder if the situations are different though -- all I head was one pair, whereas you had trips with second kicker. I was beaten by any random 2 pair, made straight, or a set -- which is what I feared the most, because he was a good player. After he checked behind on the turn, everyone knew I was owned. After he checked behind on the river, it was clear there was no value in anything on that street.

Moral of the story: I hate being out of position.

[WillMagic]

Looks fine. He's got a busted draw like 90+% of the time, so inducing a bluff is the right play.

Will