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Old 12-28-2005, 04:55 AM
geo8o2 geo8o2 is offline
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Default huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

since i played this to the flop.. is it an auto-call on the flop?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (9.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

River: (9.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:16 AM
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Default Re: huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

Your 3 Ace outs are likely to be dominated, someone might already have AK, given the action preflop - so I would fold.

By the way, I think it was really poor that you saw the flop with A8s for 4 bets. Cold calling an UTG raise with A8s can never be right IMO.
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Old 12-28-2005, 07:20 AM
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Default Re: huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

This is a fold preflop and I get the feeling you are posting this hand only because you would have won it? The flop here is an easy fold and you are likely to be drawing dead a ton of times. This time, you would get lucky with the cards.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:15 AM
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Default Re: huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

Folding preflop would have been better.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:20 AM
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Default Re: huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

Fold preflop. Twice.

Fold the flop.

Don't be results oriented.

Next time use the hand converter.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

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Fold preflop. Twice.

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What he said.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:54 AM
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Default Re: huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

fold preflop and fold the flop.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:49 PM
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Default Re: huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

Well your welcome at my table anytime but you should fold fold fold every and any street
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: huge odds, but no outs, no hand.. or so i thought

Even I can find a preflop fold here.
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:15 PM
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Your 3 Ace outs are likely to be dominated, someone might already have AK, given the action preflop - so I would fold.

By the way, I think it was really poor that you saw the flop with A8s for 4 bets. Cold calling an UTG raise with A8s can never be right IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]Thats about as good as it can be said. I'll restress that cold calling an UTG raise with A8s can NEVER be correct. A8 is not a good hand.

I would guess that 9 times out of 10 in a pot like this, you aren't even good on the turn. Meaning that you'd have to call a bet on the flop with the intention of getting 2 running cards to sometimes win, and sometimes split.
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