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#21
09-21-2005, 04:27 PM
 Fletch101 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 10
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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#A. what is a c-bet. And please dont tell me to search for it, i like men.

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Continuation bet.
#22
09-21-2005, 05:05 PM
 mcpherzen Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vegas, Baby...24/7 Posts: 76
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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You need say no more. This all but assures that these figures are worthless.
#23
09-21-2005, 05:07 PM
 curtains Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 240
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

lol. Don't worry I didn't just blindly take his advice, the numbers just seem to make sense from a theoretical standpoint, but seem absurd intuitively.
#24
09-21-2005, 05:10 PM
 ilya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Party Poker Posts: 460
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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Also the blinds are always worth stealing. If you begin a tournament with 45 extra chips, your ROI when compared to starting with just 1000 goes up signifigantly. If you look at it this way you will see that stealing the blinds does matter.

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Sure, but it's not like the blinds fold every time when you raise your 88 on the button in level 2. And while auto-betting the flop may be +EV on the flop, I'm not sure that the parlay of raising preflop &amp; autobetting flop is +EV against loose low-stakes players who like to call lots preflop &amp; on thef flop. But perhaps it is....I should, like, do the math.
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09-21-2005, 05:13 PM
 curtains Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 240
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

I'm pretty sure it is +EV [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
#26
09-21-2005, 05:37 PM
 ilya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Party Poker Posts: 460
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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I'm pretty sure it is +EV [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Heh, yeah, but you know how if you have a situation that's +0.5x CEV twice and -1x CEV twice, it's -\$EV on average? anyway i'll shut up until i do some math.
#27
09-21-2005, 06:29 PM
 curtains Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 240
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

I don't think that doing math on something like this is going to be effective, and might be misleading. There are just way too many factors involved.
#28
09-22-2005, 09:39 AM
 psparkyuk Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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i used ICM Calculator and it goes from .10 to .1041 w/1000 chip stacks and to .1051 with 800 chip stacks...so only .4 or .5%, not 4 or 5%

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Going from .10 to .1041 is a 4.1% increase.

As to validity, given solid math on one hand, and incredulous disbelief on the other.... I believe the math.

Psparky
#29
09-22-2005, 10:25 AM
 Nicholasp27 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 93
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

ok, yes, it's a 4% increase

but it doesn't add 4% to your roi number (ie doesn't take you from 15-19% roi)...it adds 51 cents in a 10/1 tourney...although that becomes \$4.10 in a 109 tourney, so is useful

i was reading it as adding 4% to your roi, tho, which is why i stated it doesn't...
#30
09-22-2005, 11:31 AM
 kyro Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 400
Re: \$11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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Also I have had one of the players call and then still hit a set. In this case the pot is larger and it's quite a bit more likely to get all or more of your money in the pot.

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This is my feeling on it.

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