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Old 09-21-2005, 04:27 PM
Fletch101 Fletch101 is offline
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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#A. what is a c-bet. And please dont tell me to search for it, i like men.

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Continuation bet.
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:05 PM
mcpherzen mcpherzen is offline
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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Ask Daliman...

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You need say no more. This all but assures that these figures are worthless.
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus


lol. Don't worry I didn't just blindly take his advice, the numbers just seem to make sense from a theoretical standpoint, but seem absurd intuitively.
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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Also the blinds are always worth stealing. If you begin a tournament with 45 extra chips, your ROI when compared to starting with just 1000 goes up signifigantly. If you look at it this way you will see that stealing the blinds does matter.

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Sure, but it's not like the blinds fold every time when you raise your 88 on the button in level 2. And while auto-betting the flop may be +EV on the flop, I'm not sure that the parlay of raising preflop & autobetting flop is +EV against loose low-stakes players who like to call lots preflop & on thef flop. But perhaps it is....I should, like, do the math.
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus


I'm pretty sure it is +EV [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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I'm pretty sure it is +EV [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Heh, yeah, but you know how if you have a situation that's +0.5x CEV twice and -1x CEV twice, it's -$EV on average? anyway i'll shut up until i do some math.
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus


I don't think that doing math on something like this is going to be effective, and might be misleading. There are just way too many factors involved.
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:39 AM
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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i used ICM Calculator and it goes from .10 to .1041 w/1000 chip stacks and to .1051 with 800 chip stacks...so only .4 or .5%, not 4 or 5%

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Going from .10 to .1041 is a 4.1% increase.

As to validity, given solid math on one hand, and incredulous disbelief on the other.... I believe the math.

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Old 09-22-2005, 10:25 AM
Nicholasp27 Nicholasp27 is offline
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

ok, yes, it's a 4% increase


but it doesn't add 4% to your roi number (ie doesn't take you from 15-19% roi)...it adds 51 cents in a 10/1 tourney...although that becomes $4.10 in a 109 tourney, so is useful

i was reading it as adding 4% to your roi, tho, which is why i stated it doesn't...
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Old 09-22-2005, 11:31 AM
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Default Re: $11 - 88 on button, makes me wonder about betting impetus

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Also I have had one of the players call and then still hit a set. In this case the pot is larger and it's quite a bit more likely to get all or more of your money in the pot.

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This is my feeling on it.
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