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Old 12-05-2005, 04:11 AM
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Default Re: SSH and Utility: The Case for the Terrible 20

Someone needs to link the "Shnnia" post. That would answer most of the question right there.
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:01 AM
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Default Re: SSH and Utility: The Case for the Terrible 20

Thanks Nomad,

Much appreciated, that was exactly the sort of thing I looking for ... about two days ago, lol.

Dove into 2/4 limit over at Pokerroom, and decided to try to learn the game proper. Limited myself to two tables, and with SSH perched in one hand, I've been actually having a bit of fun trying to figure out the boards, all the hidden outs, pot equity, etc ...

It's rather fun to spot all the bad play. I mean, really bad. Capping the bets preflop with 94o kinda bad.

(he, naturally, flopped a straight)

I can't speak for the profitability (after 2341 rounds, I've earned exactly 20 cents an hour), but I'm new and have made some really stupid calls.

I'm certain my win rate would have been double otherwise.

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Thanks again.

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Zim
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:05 AM
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Default Re: SSH and Utility: The Case for the Terrible 20

Thanks threeonefour,

I had not figured on this. I had naturally assumed that the more borderline plays would be more susceptible to incorrect calls, and result in greater fluctuations.

This does not seem to be the case.

And, actually, if I look at my own play. The big swings generally come about more from the big pairs getting cracked, than limping in with K9s.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Zim
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:14 AM
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Default Thanks gentlemen,

As noted above, I've found your recommendations to ring true. Can't say whether playing 20 hands is optimal or not ... however ...

Poker is so much more interesting when you are actually playing it, as opposed to treating it as an assembly line.

But in any event, thanks for the reminder that the EV of AA doesn't come about in a vacuum. It requires the other hands to flesh it out a little.

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Zim
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:24 AM
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Default Re: SSH and Utility: The Case for the Terrible 20

Initially, I was only going to take the top hands:

AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 88
-- AK AQ AJ AT A9
-- -- KQ KJ KT
-- -- -- QJ

AKo AQo AJo
--- KQo

And "split" them for raising purposes. Early I'd raise the strongest ten, late I'd raise all twenty.

I wouldn't bother to add more hands, only use position for aggression.

(I'd probably throw in some blinds steals, ten offsuit or better around the button, and limp with any suited hand in the SB position, that sorta thing.)

I know this sounds overly simplistic, but I've observed some truly dreadful play at the low limits.

Nonetheless, I'm not sure the value of this sort of thing. Even if it worked at the $1 tables, I suspect you won't make much more than $10/hour, even playing 10 tables.

Better to learn the game properly, and make millions.

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Zim
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: SSH and Utility: The Case for the Terrible 20

Hey jba,

Lol ... last time I put dashes in my posts.

Agreed on all counts.

Much appreciated.
Zim
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:27 AM
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Default Re: SSH and Utility: The Case for the Terrible 20

Cheers Soko,

I might still play with this sort of thing a little, but for some bizarre reason ... I'm suddenly obsessed with playing competent poker.

I blame you guys.

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Old 12-05-2005, 09:29 AM
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Default \"Shnnia?\"

This gonna be one of those search thingies I'll never figure out?

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Old 12-05-2005, 09:43 AM
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Default Re: \"Shnnia?\"

[ QUOTE ]
This gonna be one of those search thingies I'll never figure out?

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[/ QUOTE ]

shania

here you go buddy
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:40 PM
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Default Re: SSH and Utility: The Case for the Terrible 20

You should also remember that just playing tight preflop does not necessarily win you the money. It also requires making good decisions after the flop. In fact since the bets double on the turn and river, I would say at least 50% of your winnings are determined by post flop play.

Please try to learn the whole game.
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