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Old 09-12-2004, 01:19 PM
greg nice greg nice is offline
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Default all in with made straight and flush draw

Empire Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed)

MP1 ($15.39)
Hero ($75.90)
CO ($23.10)
Button ($231.43)
SB ($20.75)
BB ($146.75)
UTG ($28.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, CO folds, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets $0.5</font>, Hero calls $0.50, Button folds, SB calls $0.50, BB calls $0.50.

Turn: ($4.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, MP1 calls $10, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $74.9 (All-In)</font>, SB folds, BB calls $64.90, MP1 calls $4.39 (All-In).

River: ($168.69) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $168.69
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:21 PM
The4thFilm The4thFilm is offline
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

You want us to point out the 7 million mistakes you made or what?
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:40 PM
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

isnt that the point of these forums?
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:59 PM
The4thFilm The4thFilm is offline
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

I'll start then.

1. You play bad cards in bad position.

2. You chase a non-nut inside straight draw with an overcard.
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Old 09-13-2004, 10:33 AM
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

3. When you did bet the flop, you min-bet it.
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Old 09-13-2004, 10:39 AM
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

your flush + straight draw came on the turn and not the flop thus you aren't favorite in that hand. In fact you had about 1/3 chance of making your draw. Certainly not a situation for an All-in.
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Old 09-13-2004, 10:44 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

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3. When you did bet the flop, you min-bet it.

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not true. read the hand.
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Old 09-13-2004, 10:45 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

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your flush + straight draw came on the turn and not the flop thus you aren't favorite in that hand. In fact you had about 1/3 chance of making your draw. Certainly not a situation for an All-in.

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not true. read the hand.
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Old 09-13-2004, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

oh jeez. My mistake. Apologies.
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Old 09-13-2004, 10:50 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: all in with made straight and flush draw

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I'll start then.

1. You play bad cards in bad position.

2. You chase a non-nut inside straight draw with an overcard.

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ok, these are at least both true statements.

1. i agree. muck it preflop.

2. marginally bad call IMO - but not nearly as bad as others would have you believe. yes, there's only $3 in the pot when you called .50 on a gutshot. if you were closing the action, and the straight would be the nut straight if you hit it, i think calling would be fine. the problem is that it might get raised behind you, in which case you have to fold. also, if you do hit, and the same guy opens the betting then you won't be able to trap the field between you and the bettor. finally, you could hit your draw and lose your stack if somebody has AQ.

so i'd fold the flop, but don't think calling is a disaster.
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