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Old 12-27-2005, 01:51 PM
Vavavoom Vavavoom is offline
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Default 2 KK hands...

I have just sat down at both tables....within the orbit....

Hand 1:

MP1 is a complete fish and over the last few hands his stack has dwindled from approx ~ $160ish

CO = 23/3 over 250 hands....I was intending to push had CO not re-raised....

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UTG ($202.70)
UTG+1 ($78)
MP1 ($52.40)
MP2 ($175)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($200)
Button ($277.55)
SB ($76)
Hero ($150)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO (poster) raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $18, MP1 calls $12.

Flop: ($62) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $32</font>, Hero ??

Whatever happens here.....MP1 is coming along for the ride....




Hand 2:

Button is 19/4 type player over first 20 or so hands I have on him...

My PF raise is possibly questionable - I wasn't expecting 4 callers...

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UTG ($65.10)
Hero ($155)
MP1 ($94.35)
MP2 ($207.40)
MP3 ($61.15)
CO ($30.10)
Button ($224)
SB ($45.35)
BB ($68)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, MP1 calls $10, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $10, SB calls $9, BB calls $8, UTG folds.

Flop: ($52) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $44</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $90</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero ???

I'm guessing this is straightforward....?
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:23 PM
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Default Re: 2 KK hands...

First hand, reraise preflop, push the flop in the situation you are in.

Second hand, push. He might do this raise with legit hands you beat (1010-QQ) and with draws.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: 2 KK hands...

HAND 1 - I favor a preflop push. You're likely to get a call from MP1 with a bad hand and you need to charge CO given that he could be raising to isolate against a weak player. Given your stack size it looks like a pretty easy push.

Hand 2 - This one is really read dependant, push/fold situation depending on your range for CO. Without reads I fold every time.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: 2 KK hands...

hand 1: Make it 100 straight.

hand 2: It's hard but I probably fold.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: 2 KK hands...

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I have just sat down at both tables....within the orbit....

Hand 1:

MP1 is a complete fish and over the last few hands his stack has dwindled from approx ~ $160ish

CO = 23/3 over 250 hands....I was intending to push had CO not re-raised....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($202.70)
UTG+1 ($78)
MP1 ($52.40)
MP2 ($175)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($200)
Button ($277.55)
SB ($76)
Hero ($150)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO (poster) raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $18, MP1 calls $12.

Flop: ($62) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $32</font>, Hero ??

Whatever happens here.....MP1 is coming along for the ride....




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PF: buy-in for full $200.

raise to $100 straight PF.

Call the flop, raise/push the turn. We want JJ,QQ to come along for this ride.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: 2 KK hands...

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hand 2: It's hard but I probably fold.

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Old 12-27-2005, 02:50 PM
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Default Re: 2 KK hands...

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Hand 2 - This one is really read dependant, push/fold situation depending on your range for CO. Without reads I fold every time.

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Without reads I push.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:57 PM
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PF: buy-in for full $200.

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lol yup.

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raise to $100 straight PF.

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Call the flop, raise/push the turn. We want JJ,QQ to come along for this ride.

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But if an A or K turns then we lose value to QQ &amp; JJ and by calling, we would be giving both opponents a cheap turn card.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:57 PM
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Hand 2 - This one is really read dependant, push/fold situation depending on your range for CO. Without reads I fold every time.

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Without reads I push.

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5 handed, you don't think someone has 2 pair or a set?
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Old 12-27-2005, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: 2 KK hands...

Pushing isn't terrible. Several reasons why I don't here. Given the near min-re-raise its tough to put him on a draw unless it's a big one he doesn't seem to want you to lay down. He's going to have you beat more often then you'll see a smaller overpair. At the very least he's drawing very live against you so you're going to lose a fair amount of the time when you're ahead and you're not going to be ahead often enough to make this a good spot to put your money in.
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