Hit set on a monotone flop, multi-way... line check!

Logik · #1 11-21-2005, 04:14 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($28.05)
Hero ($22.15)
UTG ($21.45)
MP ($6.15)
Button ($22.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB calls $0.75.

I have been raising to $1.00 with a wide range of hands from AA to 72 offsuit, so I didn't want to change that and have them be suspicious of me actually having a hand. Last time I raised to $1.50 with AA I got no callers, so I decided to keep more people in the pot and use my decent post-flop play to my advantage.

Flop: ($4) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4, Button folds, SB calls $4.

I led here for full pot because if I lead for half pot here, there's a great chance that I will get bluff raised with someone holding the lone A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Naturally, the option was to pot it, and severely re-evaluate my hand if someone comes over the top. To my suprise I got two callers, and I am putting one of the two one the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], probably UTG because he's tilting and trying to hit a big hand. He's blown through quite a few buy-ins.

Turn: ($16) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10, SB calls $10.

I give up. I just give up. Maybe I should have potted it here, but that's pretty much putting me all in. When I get two callers, I'm very unsure if my hand is good here. I still contend that at least ONE of them is on the A-high flush draw.

River: ($46) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks.

If they were on flush draws, they sure as hell aren't calling a third barrel. I check intending to call an all-in if necessary, but fully expect UTG to check with his missed flush draw into a 3-person field, who are relatively pot-committed at this point. A made flush would have pushed the turn.

Final Pot: $46

beavens · #2 11-21-2005, 04:22 PM

i would push the turn.

#3 11-21-2005, 04:24 PM

Push the turn or river, preferably the turn.

trumpman84 · #4 11-21-2005, 04:27 PM

Push the turn..if someone calls you with a flush, make a full house.

niko421 · #5 11-21-2005, 04:28 PM

check the river is correct. Too much danger... people calling with weak hands... I.E. QTo Qs, KQ, Ks... alot can hurt you ... jackals with 45s all call you down and don't bet... I think the check is good... the only ones calling are winning... what was the result

#6 11-21-2005, 04:30 PM

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check the river is correct. Too much danger... people calling with weak hands... I.E. QTo Qs, KQ, Ks... alot can hurt you ... jackals with 45s all call you down and don't bet... I think the check is good... the only ones calling are winning... what was the result

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You have $7 left in a $50 pot. You think two pair decides now is a good time to fold? What about top pair? Any pair?

You are getting called here and any hand that beats you is going to bet.

Bukem_ · #7 11-21-2005, 04:35 PM

Push turn, as played throw rest in on river.

4_2_it · #8 11-21-2005, 04:38 PM

With the short stacks, you have to push that turn.

Logik · #9 11-23-2005, 02:43 PM

In hindsight I believe that pushing the turn is the best line. However, as played, I think sticking it in on the river is heavily -EV because missed flush draws will muck and I don't think I'd extract much from a hand I'm beating.

UTG had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x
SB had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x

AKQJ10 · #10 11-23-2005, 02:51 PM

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In hindsight I believe that pushing the turn is the best line. However, as played, I think sticking it in on the river is heavily -EV because missed flush draws will muck and I don't think I'd extract much from a hand I'm beating.

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I would agree with both assertions.

Incidentally, if you put one of them on the nut flush draw, that means the other one can't be slowplaying the made nut flush. Of course slowplaying a small flopped flush against two opponents is foolish, but that doesn't mean people won't do it.