Why you reraise big with premium hands preflop: shameless big pot post - Page 2

Malachii · #11 10-20-2005, 09:39 PM

I hate to sound like a limit player, but he's getting 6-1 plus monster implied odds and he's presumably not going to lose his on a K or J high flop. Plus he closes the action

mother_brain · #12 10-20-2005, 09:44 PM

Plus he's playing against fools and their raises obviously mean nothing and they don't like money. Posistion+Fools+Able to stack them=not terrible call at all.

jzpiano14 · #13 10-20-2005, 09:55 PM

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Plus he's playing against fools and their raises obviously mean nothing and they don't like money. Posistion+Fools+Able to stack them=not terrible call at all.

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My agruement is for the majority of players, KJ will be dominated a lot of the time so why put urself in a tough spot with it

JustToast · #14 10-20-2005, 10:00 PM

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I hate to sound like a limit player, but he's getting 6-1 plus monster implied odds and he's presumably not going to lose his on a K or J high flop. Plus he closes the action

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Doing this with a potentially dominated hand is not a good plan. I'd rather have 67s than KJo here by a long shot as they're at least presumed "live". Not going to show down a K or J high flop? Its going to cost big if you dont absolutely nail the flop.

j0wlev · #15 10-20-2005, 10:05 PM

Calling with KJ your not going broke with a single pair, you want a OESD. I'll take 6-1 pre-flop when you are only a 3-1 dog if dominated.

JustToast · #16 10-20-2005, 10:09 PM

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Calling with KJ your not going broke with a single pair, you want a OESD. I'll take 6-1 pre-flop when you are only a 3-1 dog if dominated.

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Going to fold if you "only" catch a K or J? Showing down outkicked hands costs big against guys willing to raise and re-raise PF.

#17 10-20-2005, 10:57 PM

at least he had a gutshot, what is 56 calling an all-in for, who are these people

JaBlue · #18 10-20-2005, 11:48 PM

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Going to fold if you "only" catch a K or J? Showing down outkicked hands costs big against guys willing to raise and re-raise PF.

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In almost all situations, yes. Like I said, I immediately put the re-raiser on a premium pair - so given that I think he has aces, I can't continue unless I get a big draw or flop two pair.

It won't be expensive for me because I'm not going to showdown with one pair.

mason55 · #19 10-21-2005, 01:58 AM

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Plus he's playing against fools and their raises obviously mean nothing and they don't like money. Posistion+Fools+Able to stack them=not terrible call at all.

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My agruement is for the majority of players, KJ will be dominated a lot of the time so why put urself in a tough spot with it

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OP is better than the majority of players.

I know that laying down KJ to a raise and a reraise is preached over and over in SSNL. This is to help newer players who WON'T be able to lay down with a single pair.

FreakDaddy · #20 10-21-2005, 02:10 AM

Really confused. You must have had a good read on these guys, cause a raise from EP and a call, even with position calling KJo is -EV here. I'm just not sure what hands are calling a push on this kind of flop multi-way. I guess once SB goes on his gutshot, UTG has odds. Crazy.