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Old 12-23-2004, 06:49 PM
tomcain tomcain is offline
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Default good starting hand and flop misses

Hello

This happens so often that I think it is a hole I need to plug. I know it happens often because I see it in PT. Probably 1 or 2 times per 40 hands.

Lets say I have ak,kq, aq or aj. I raise p/f and nobody re-raises. The flop comes down 3,5,7. Everybody checks to me. More often that not, I will bet, representing a high pair. Sometimes everyone folds. But most of the time they don't. Then when the turn comes, I check. Effectively guaranteeing I don't have a pair.

So my question is: Should I even bet on the flop? I am starting to think no.

TIA, tom
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Old 12-23-2004, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: good starting hand and flop misses

What game is this? 3/6? Was the flop rainbow?

At 3/6, this isn't an easy decision and depends a lot on your opponents.

Overcards are a bitch.

More information would be helpful.
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Old 12-23-2004, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: good starting hand and flop misses

I play mostly 1/2 and 2/4. I have 30K hands in my PT database but rarely see more than 2 people at the table that I have seen before. Because it happens so often, I didn't list a specific hand. I am looking for some guidelines.

The flops I am looking at are either rainbow or maybe 2 of one suit. If the flop was all one suit I would clearly bet if I had one of those and not bet if I didn't have one.

Thx, tom
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Old 12-23-2004, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: good starting hand and flop misses

Bet the turn ..if your gonna play the hand aggressively and represent a bigger pp why stop? Your opponents are showing weakness and are probabbly waiting to hit their draws as well.
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Old 12-23-2004, 07:32 PM
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Default Re: good starting hand and flop misses

You're gonna love the answer to this one:

It depends.

On the opponents, on the board, on your position, on backdoor draws you have...

Never betting the flop with unpaired overcards is blatantly incorrect. Always betting the flop with unpaired overcards is blatantly incorrect. The truth lies somewhere in between.

Rob
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Old 12-23-2004, 07:33 PM
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Default Re: good starting hand and flop misses

Tom, if you pick a couple hands out of PT as examples, I'm sure posters here would be more than happy to share their ideas and thought processes on each street and give you an idea of things you should be looking for.
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Old 12-23-2004, 07:43 PM
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Default Re: good starting hand and flop misses

there's no right answer to this, and like everyone says, it all depends on the situation. depends on the players, your position, the flop, etc. try the overcards section in ed miller's SSHE, it's very good.
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