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Old 11-01-2005, 12:36 PM
deception5 deception5 is offline
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Default Re: Middle pair sucks (KJ 6max)

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Villian is 82/7/.56 That aggression tells me he's raising if he has an Ace.

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0.56 aggression at 6-max and you think he raises any ace? I would argue that it's likely he only raises 2-pair or better. Now, if he had higher aggro numbers, say around 2.0+, I'd agree with the "raising any ace" theory.

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This aggression stat is meaningless without fold% or wtsd%, because it either means he folds the flop when he misses (which is very often) and is very passive or he never folds when he misses and is extremely aggressive.
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Old 11-01-2005, 12:39 PM
lautzutao lautzutao is offline
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Default Re: Middle pair sucks (KJ 6max)

It's besides the point what his aggression stats are. Still think this turn check is a mistake.
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Old 11-01-2005, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: Middle pair sucks (KJ 6max)

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It's besides the point what his aggression stats are. Still think this turn check is a mistake.

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As a default play I think after getting called by 3 players on an ace high flop and not having an ace that betting again is not the correct play - you are just drawing to 4-5 outs (or less) way too often. It's closer on this board because it is drawy, but I still don't think it's correct.

It would be completely different if hero had position and could check behind on the river.
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Old 11-01-2005, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: Middle pair sucks (KJ 6max)

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Why did you check the turn?

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I checked the turn because i thought with the number of people calling me it was likely someone had an ace. Then after checking it seemed wrong to fold for one bet as the board was draw heavy.

Then on the river i felt resigned to call one bet and so thought it would be better to bet myself..as i knew i could fold to a raise.

All in all very fuzzy reasoning..i think i needed to take a definite line in the hand. Either:

1, Bet the turn, check then call or fold river depending on action.
2, Check/call the turn, check/fold the river unimproved.

Im not sure which is best..
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Old 11-01-2005, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: Middle pair sucks (KJ 6max)

Check/folding the turn is also an option.
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Old 11-01-2005, 01:59 PM
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Check/folding the turn is also an option.

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I was gonna put that down..but i thought it sounded a bit weak/tight. However i did consider the turn bettor to be resonably fishy (even though i had seen him make some stupid plays earlier), so check/folding may not be too bad of an option.
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