Do Online Players Going B&M Have a Lot of Tells?

[PokerCad]

player reads are for the most part are meaningless until the 20-40 range in LMHE IMHO. I think 99 out of 100 players are clueless, or better yet unthinking, until you reach this level. FWIW I can almost always tell an internet player in the B&M simply by the way they handle there chips and place bets (PS this really only applies to the internet players that think they are good poker players, the good WINNING internet players are pretty schooled in B&M and not too many of them play 20-40 or less), again IMHOand unfortunately, not that all internet players are rude, but I find the rudest players are the on-line players, I guess they are too use to flaming other players in their chat browsers [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. Don't get me wrong, it is probably just a small minority but it is what I see. As far as tells, the most reliable and easiest to read tell from beginner B&M players (and yes even at the higher limits up to 40-80) that I am experienced at is the subconcious hand trembling when they have a big hand. When I see this I almost always fold unless I have the nuts. Caro notes this also,,,,,Players always think that other players are looking at their face so they focus on not giving anything through facial tells, but the hands are really where the tells are [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[RiverTheNuts]

I shake whether I have the nuts or I am bluffing, or just because I am cold, I think many others are the same way.

I think pumping the pot with the best hand is less nerve wracking than bluffing, I shake less when pumping the nuts.

[wildzer0]

Same here. I was happy to discover I shake just as much on a total bluff as I do with the nuts. I look like an epileptic riding bumper cars.

[PokerCad]

I am not speaking of general shaking, nor of trembling from general nervousness, but of all of the tells listed in Caro's book this is the one that I find to be most reliable in body language tells, and yes I do believe expert player reading almost makes up for the deficiency in BB's per hour in not being able to multi-table in a B&M. Just my thoughts

You are overplaying your hand, sir.

[bernie]

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player reads are for the most part are meaningless until the 20-40 range in LMHE IMHO. I think 99 out of 100 players are clueless, or better yet unthinking, until you reach this level.

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I don't agree.

So you have no reads on a passive table when someone is 3 betting the turn? You can really just put them on anything? C'mon.

The players are thinking, just not that much beyond their own hands. Playerprofiling at limits under 20-40 is pretty easy.

Betspeed is the big one. Online players don't have to worry as much about subtle betspeed tells. Live, they are very reliable.

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