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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
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I don't raise KTo or KJo in the SB, I think that's going too far. The TAG BB will call often, and it looks like you're saying you want a fold. [/ QUOTE ] the limpers, well, limped, so we assume they aren't too good. KJ is strong enough to raise here, I don't think the tag BB is calling that often, he is tight afterall. |
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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
Well, here I think most people are saying that the river fold is wrong, based on probable hands. All I'm saying is that, once we conclude the decision is -ev, nothing is gained by the additional, inflammatory labels.
(Incidentally, looking back at this thread, I don't think anyone used such terms here, though it certainly happens frequently.) |
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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
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(Incidentally, looking back at this thread, I don't think anyone used such terms here, though it certainly happens frequently.) [/ QUOTE ] *raises hand* [ QUOTE ] I think the river fold is not heinous. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
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[ QUOTE ] I don't raise KTo or KJo in the SB, I think that's going too far. The TAG BB will call often, and it looks like you're saying you want a fold. [/ QUOTE ] the limpers, well, limped, so we assume they aren't too good. KJ is strong enough to raise here, I don't think the tag BB is calling that often, he is tight afterall. [/ QUOTE ] Getting 7-1, I'm calling with a whole bunch of suited trash-looking cards and obviously all pairs. The one thing I fear is dominated broadway cards, but I may call with those also. I think a TAG who plays well post-flop is calling a lot here in what will likely be a 4-handed pot. |
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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
KTs, KJ, KQ are possible.
2 + 8 + 8/2 (divided by two because we split) = 14 you lose to AA, KK, and AK. 6 + 1 + 8 = 15 discount the hands we beat a bunch and we should still be calling the river. |
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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
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[ QUOTE ] I am raising KJo out of the SB vs two limpers with a TAG BB a LOT, and KTs/KTo against the right limpers/BB. and i'm not even close to the 30/20 tags, more like 25/17. [/ QUOTE ] Will you then three-bet the flop and bet all streets? [/ QUOTE ] on this raggedy flushy board absolutely |
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getting about 19-1 I am calling that river for sure. [/ QUOTE ] easy greasy |
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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
Either Cap the Flop or Raise the turn.
Folding the river? Yikes! |
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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
top pair with a flush draw? the K is a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
Not counting KTos in villains range, and giving the other top 30% of hands..
Board: 3s 2h Ks 5c 7d Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 39.4377 % 30.14% 09.30% { KdQs } Hand 2: 53.4448 % 44.15% 09.30% { KK+, AKs, KTs+, AKo, KJo+ } Hand 3: 07.1175 % 06.69% 00.43% { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o } If you assume the other guy was on a FD and will fold: Board: 3s 2h Ks 5c 7d Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 41.9355 % 32.26% 09.68% { KdQs } Hand 2: 58.0645 % 48.39% 09.68% { KK+, AKs, KTs+, AKo, KJo+ } Getting 19:1 this is a must call. |
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