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Old 12-10-2005, 04:54 PM
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Yeah, let's look at things from the criminal's perspective. He fears the good guys who might try to punish him for the future criminal actions he wishes to commit. So naturally he wishes to arm himself with the best weapons so that he might perpetrate those criminal actions with impunity. Makes sense.

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I am almost sure that you are serious in your response, in which case I wonder if you are aware that someone making fun of your position would make EXACTLY the same post sarcastically to illustrate the sheer ignorance of your position.
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Old 12-10-2005, 05:21 PM
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What part of my previous post don't you get that Iran has no legitimate reason to fear Israel, being as far removed geographically as it is, unless Iran intends to go on supporting terrorists who attack Israel or to attack Israel themselves?
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:14 PM
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What part of my previous post don't you get that Iran has no legitimate reason to fear Israel, being as far removed geographically as it is, unless Iran intends to go on supporting terrorists who attack Israel or to attack Israel themselves?

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Why do you getto decide what Iranian fears arelegitimate and what are not. They cannot repel any sort of military attack from the US or Israel without nuclear weapons. Maybe Iran is tired of being in a position where they can be [censored] with and are willing to dosomething about it. The US has no right to keep dozens of nations in fear of an invasion and Iran has every rightto have whatever technology they can develop to defend themselves
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:32 PM
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Iran has every rightto have whatever technology they can develop to defend themselves

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And if their reason for developing nukes is not defensive?
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:41 PM
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Iran has every rightto have whatever technology they can develop to defend themselves

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And if their reason for developing nukes is not defensive?

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Nuclear weapons are obviously a terrible weapon which the world wouldprobably be betteroff without. HOwever from a Game theory pov if one has them then everyone shoul d have tehm. The situation is far more dangerous when one power can nuke anotherwith no fear of represuccions.

Thebest idea is to create a senario where offensive nukes are a losing proposition.
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:14 PM
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Nuclear weapons are obviously a terrible weapon which the world wouldprobably be betteroff without. HOwever from a Game theory pov if one has them then everyone shoul d have tehm. The situation is far more dangerous when one power can nuke anotherwith no fear of represuccions.

Thebest idea is to create a senario where offensive nukes are a losing proposition.

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This might well have applied with regard the former USSR and the USA, but it does not equally apply to regimes which are radical, unstable, or in cohorts with terrorists.
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:24 PM
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Nuclear weapons are obviously a terrible weapon which the world wouldprobably be betteroff without. HOwever from a Game theory pov if one has them then everyone shoul d have tehm. The situation is far more dangerous when one power can nuke anotherwith no fear of represuccions.

Thebest idea is to create a senario where offensive nukes are a losing proposition.

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This might well have applied with regard the former USSR and the USA, but it does not equally apply to regimes which are radical, unstable, or in cohorts with terrorists.

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The international system is based on rational actors. Unfortunatly there is no judge of rationality. Iran has done nothing to warrant any doubt of its rationality.

Keep in mind that the US has sponsered terrorists in Cuba, Afganistan, and Nicaragua. Sponsoring terrorists in this case is a piss poor measure of rationality.
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:45 PM
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Why do you getto decide what Iranian fears arelegitimate and what are not. They cannot repel any sort of military attack from the US or Israel without nuclear weapons.

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The rest of the world gets to decide because they are the aggressor, and thus in the wrong.

It logically follows from your views that you think Iran has a "right" to threaten to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth" and to support terrorism against Israel or the US. It is clear that this is your hidden agenda, for without those intentions Iran will never be subject to attack by Israel or the US.
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:52 PM
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Why do you getto decide what Iranian fears arelegitimate and what are not. They cannot repel any sort of military attack from the US or Israel without nuclear weapons.

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The rest of the world gets to decide because they are the aggressor, and thus in the wrong.

It logically follows from your views that you think Iran has a "right" to threaten to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth" and to support terrorism against Israel or the US. It is clear that this is your hidden agenda, for without those intentions Iran will never be subject to attack by Israel or the US.

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You should review your history of the middle east. In the 1950's the US sponsered a coup d'eta against the newly democratic Iran. We reinstalled the brutal Shah and thus two decades of US sponsered totalitarianism resulted. The Ayotolla finally overthrew the US backed Shah and created the modern state of Iran.
Meanwhile the US backed state of Israel was pursuing their expansionist agenda only a few hundred miles away.

Iran has been messed with by the Us far more than you realize and has every right to fear it will be in the future.
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:01 PM
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Meanwhile the US backed state of Israel was pursuing their expansionist agenda only a few hundred miles away.

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At the root of all the arugments of such posters as yourself is a hatred for Israel. So much so that you don't care about the nature or intentions of any enemy of theirs. And Israel only expanded after its creation by defeating enemies who either attacked it first or were about too. But of course none of that matters to you.

Your anti-Semitic views and rationalizations are ugly.
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